Maturity in Faith, Belief, Opinion

[Typhon]

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". . . one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" seems fine to me.

To clarify, you can not be a "slave", if you have the option to leave.  If anyone does not like the rules here, then they are free to go somewhere else.

"Free to go", provided the person has enough money for the move, employment waiting in the destination country, and is healthy enough to make the move.

  Seems to be no problem for tens of thousands of illegal immigrants to make the move to come here each year. 

[Zzzptm]

No problem? That's quite a callous comment. At any rate, the philosophy of "love it or leave it" completely disregards the capacity we have to make changes through common discourse and elective processes.

We can make changes for the better so we don't have to leave.

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[Charger]

I've always been bit against putting god in everything. It's just another mind control tool.

[Typhon]

No problem? That's quite a callous comment. At any rate, the philosophy of "love it or leave it" completely disregards the capacity we have to make changes through common discourse and elective processes.

I was never pushing "love it or leave it".  You was claiming that following a rule, like saying the Pledge of Allegiance, had some aspect of slavery.  To which I proved that to be wrong, because slaves cannot up and leave if they don't like the rules, but we can.

You have the tendency to put words in the mouths of others when it is shown to you that something you have said is inaccurate.

[Zzzptm]

No problem? That's quite a callous comment. At any rate, the philosophy of "love it or leave it" completely disregards the capacity we have to make changes through common discourse and elective processes.

I was never pushing "love it or leave it".  You was claiming that following a rule, like saying the Pledge of Allegiance, had some aspect of slavery.  To which I proved that to be wrong, because slaves cannot up and leave if they don't like the rules, but we can.

You have the tendency to put words in the mouths of others when it is shown to you that something you have said is inaccurate.

Well if you're putting words in my mouth that following rules = slavery, we're even.

[Axefiend]

Interesting stuff:

[Zzzptm]

^ Interesting philosophy there. He's right in saying that when need to expect discomfort when we make a change for the better. We have to make the decision in advance so that, even when we want to decide otherwise, we still make the decision to do the better thing. That's very important when dealing with addiction or negative cycles of behavior.