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Re: 13 - Song By Song
« Reply #60 on: December 04, 2020, 07:46:30 AM »
I heard the opening for Pariah and fully expected Tony Martin to start singing. Ozzy's vocal is not bad, but doesn't grab me like on the previous two tracks. If this song had featured an Iommi solo throughout instead of the vocal track, I think I would have liked it much more.

And when I put it up against Vincent Price, it totally falls short. DP give us another treat for our ears, full of entertainment and a deliberate cheesiness in the lyrics (seven screaming virgins on a sacrificial altar!) and music that makes it perfect as  a tribute to the horror actor. It has been love at first hear for me with this song, and it's a great closer.

Overall, I'd make my own EP with individual songs from 13. It's better than I first thought, because I was turned away by the first two songs when it came out. But Now What?! remains strong  as one of my favorite DP albums, and playing it end-to-end is always a pleasure.
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Re: 13 - Song By Song
« Reply #61 on: December 04, 2020, 09:23:52 AM »
Pariah starts off with a very un-Sabbath-like intro but when it kicks on the high gear it's all Sabbath...or all Iommi anyways. A great riff which changes style completely mid way.

Ozzy's vocals sound like he's doing a solo song though. Quite a monotonic delivery during the verse. He does find a new gear for the chorus but it saves very little.

Musically this song is better than vocally that's for sure. The soft part in the middle doesn't work though and the autotune on Ozzy's voice during that part is dumb.

Overall the main riff is great, but then it kind of falls apart and never really manages to find it's legs...more potential than delivery on this song I think.




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Re: 13 - Song By Song
« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2020, 08:32:02 AM »
I used to play Naivete in Black quite often when the album came out, but until the last couple of days I hadn't heard it for maybe 7 years. I've refreshed my memory a few times now and I can happily say it is quite a good song, certainly musically good, vocally it's solid and I have no idea what the lyrics are about :) ! It's the sort of shorter uptempo song which in the past might have opened the album.



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Re: 13 - Song By Song
« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2020, 09:49:07 AM »
I'm not sure that past the element of surprise and the long wait to hear these 3 guys playing together again, this works in favor of the pleasure of listening to the album.
This title was the last to be discovered in Europe but quite soon after the release of 13 and really shows why it was considered as a  "Best Buy" bonus. The structure of the track is ultra basic, the riff very average and Ozzy is clearly bored.
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Re: 13 - Song By Song
« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2020, 12:50:55 PM »
For me too it has been several years since I've listened to this track mainly ofcourse since it was never made available here in physical format. I think the last time I heard it was more than 5 or 6 years ago...And I have to say I was positively surprised by listening to it again....

Naivete In Black is musically among the best tracks of the entire album, most certainly best of the bonus tracks. A great fast paced rocker with a groovy riff which is actually slightly reminiscent to I Witness from Cross Purposes.

Sadly though Ozzy's vocal melody is very poor. The change in melody from one line to the next is weak and just tells the lyrics and melody don't match at all. It's like Ozzy tried to fit Geezer's lyrics into his melody that wasn't up for it.
The chorus melody isn't any better sadly.

But the music is brilliant. The riffing of the verses rocks and the little solos between the verses are classic Iommi....something that I guess zzz would call solos without beginnings of endings what ever that means. ;D

It is a real shame that Ozzy is the down fall of this otherwise brilliant tune. I can't help but imagine what this would have sounded like with Ronnie at the helm.


Overall the whole album is filled with ups and downs...more so probably than any other Sabbath album. Although it never really reaches the absolute highs of the classic albums (of any era) or that of The Devil You Know it still has some brilliant moments scattered in with the blantant self plagiarism and rehashed ideas.

Am I glad they decided to make this album after all those years and failed attempts? YES absolutely...do I wish they would have tried to make something bit more original and bit more even? YES ABSOLUTELY!

But it was a lot of fun to go through this album again which is the one that out of all the Sabbath albums I've listened to the least...


 
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« Reply #65 on: December 05, 2020, 03:50:45 PM »
Naïveté In Black is my least favorite of the bonus tracks.  Although I like the song and find little fault with any performer in it, it seems slightly incomplete.  Especially because of some of the lyrics being repeated and the abrupt ending.
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Re: 13 - Song By Song
« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2020, 05:10:34 PM »
I will order the songs on 13 in this order:

1.  Age of Reason
2= Methademic
2= Zeitgeist
4.  End of the Beginning
5= Loner
5= Damaged Soul
7.  Naivete in Black
8.  Peace of Mind
9.  Dear Father
10.  Pariah
11. Live Forever
12. God is Dead?


The Ozzy Albums as a whole I would rank:

1.  Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
2.  Sabotage
3.  Never Say Die
4.  Paranoid
5.  Black Sabbath
6.  Vol 4
7.  13
8.  Master of Reality
9.  Technical Ecstacy

MoR actually moved up a spot after this excercise!

The 11 songs I said were in my top 10 Ozzy songs were:

NIB
War Pigs
Fairies Wear Boots
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Killing Yourself to Live
Spiral Architect
Hole in the Sky
Symptom of the Universe
Juniors Eyes
Air Dance
Age of Reason
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Re: 13 - Song By Song
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2020, 08:05:48 AM »
Inserting my final rating of the albums for completion's sake.

13 (without bonus disc) - 8/10
13 (with bonus disc) - 9/10
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Re: 13 - Song By Song
« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2020, 03:16:06 PM »
Hmmmmm...Ranking this album is bit harder than the others I'd say...as there are a bunch of songs that aren't good but aren't really bad either...

1. End Of The Beginning
2. Dear Father
3. Loner
4. Age Of Reason
5.. Naivete In Black
6.. Peace Of Mind
7.  Damaged Soul
8. Methademic
9. Pariah
10. Live Forever


And these two turds are in a complete league of their own

Zeitgeist
God Is Dead

I might think about mirroring Typhon on giving these albums a ranking too but that might be bit tougher.

The album order might be something like

1. Master Of Reality
2. Black Sabbath
3. Paranoid
4. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
5. Sabotage
6. Vol 4
7. 13
8. Techincal Ecstacy














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Re: 13 - Song By Song
« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2020, 08:31:50 AM »
Naiviete in Black opened up and damn if it wasn't another Dehumanizer track. I really miss Dio, that's my thoughts coming out of listening to 13 as a whole.
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Re: 13 - Song By Song
« Reply #70 on: December 07, 2020, 10:31:07 AM »
Quote from: Zzzptm on December 07, 2020, 08:31:50 AM
I really miss Dio, that's my thoughts coming out of listening to 13 as a whole.

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Re: 13 - Song By Song
« Reply #71 on: December 24, 2020, 05:44:08 AM »
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Too much rehashing the old, not enough freshness. But still some solid Black Sabbath moments. Better producer would have gone a long way I believe.
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« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2021, 03:09:21 AM »
I have been wondering for a few days about a possible explanation of the name 13. Like everyone else, I know the geezer's taste for word games and his clever mixtures of numbers and letters.
the guys are 4 but Bill did not finally participate but still, knowing he's inseparable from the success of the band. Either 3 + 1 or 1 + 3, the 1 close to 3 can be likened to a great B like Black, like Bill, like Birmingham ... this two-part symbol burning like a pagan fire and still alive.
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« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2021, 09:01:59 AM »
^^^^^^
You're overthinking it.  It was released in 2013.
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« Reply #74 on: February 21, 2021, 10:10:38 AM »
Quote from: Typhon on February 21, 2021, 09:01:59 AM
^^^^^^
You're overthinking it.  It was released in 2013.

... like any fan keeps doing about his favorite bands. Also, if I'm not wrong, Geezer had said that 13 had nothing to do with neither the year of release nor the number of Sabbath albums.
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