DP Members' Solo Projects Here, As Well. Also Other DP Family Bands...

[Zzzptm]

OK, so Black Sabbath may have spun off Ozzy, Dio, Iommi, G/Z/R, and... well, looks like that's all of them. But Deep Purple's family tree branches into (but is not limited to) Warhorse, Captain Beyond, Quartermass, Trapeze, Ian Gillan Band, Gillan, Rainbow, Whitesnake, Paice-Ashton-Lord, Roger Glover, Dixie Dregs, Black Sabbath (but do put those threads over in that part of the forum, please), Blackmore's Night, Coverdale/Page, Hughes-Thrall Band, Glenn Hughes, Jon Lord, Jesus Christ Superstar, Screaming Lord Sutch, and probably about a dozen others or more.

It's a bigger range than the Black Sabbath family, probably because Deep Purple had way more personnel churn than the Sabs did...

So, I know the Black Sabbath category is arranged differently and Charger and Billy are giving me crap about it in the admin/mod section, but I'm a bigger DP fan than they are, so... we'll try it my way first and if that doesn't work, we can always try it my way. 

Until then, 'ere's a song for ya!

[Billy Underdog]

What about the Iommi/Hughes albums?

[Zzzptm]

What about the Iommi/Hughes albums?

Oh crap, we got a problem there. Or, well... they are under the name "Iommi", so that's over to the Sab forum for those. Just as Dio singing with RITCHIE BLACKMORE'SRainbow would go under DP. Because guitarist's egos determine everything.

[Sabbabbath]

It's a bigger range than the Black Sabbath family, probably because Deep Purple had way more personnel churn than the Sabs did...

Is that so? I don't know much about the personnell changes in DP, but I do know that the list of former Sabbath members is loooong. Check out the mid-1980ies part of Siegler's timeline:
https://www.black-sabbath.com/theband/timeline/

[Zzzptm]

It's a bigger range than the Black Sabbath family, probably because Deep Purple had way more personnel churn than the Sabs did...

Is that so? I don't know much about the personnell changes in DP, but I do know that the list of former Sabbath members is loooong. Check out the mid-1980ies part of Siegler's timeline:
https://www.black-sabbath.com/theband/timeline/

There *are* the Sabbath 80s/90s, but most of those guys did not go on to start other bands or solo careers - at least not ones with big arena draws. In Sabbath, you've got the 4 original members all doing solo stuff, Dio, aaaaand that's about it. Hughes and Gillan were Purple before they were Black Sabbath. It could even be argued that Dio emerged from the Purple tree from Rainbow and is therefore a third Purple -> Sabbath connection. Neil Murray was in Whitesnake, so that's a fourth one.

By contrast, every single DP member from Mk1-4 did a solo project or joined with a fairly major band after playing in Purple. That's 10 dudes startin' stuff, compared to 4.

[Sabbabbath]

If your point is that more ex-DP guys started SUCCESSFUL bands and solo projects on average after their departure from DP than ex-Sabbath guys, OK. My point was that I don't think DP really had "way more personell churn". The list of former BS members is even longer than the list of former DP members:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Black_Sabbath_band_members
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deep_Purple_band_members
(Of course people like Dave Donato or Ron Keel have to be removed from the BS list, but it would still be longer.)

And it was not just in the 1980ies, it totally continued in the 1990ies: Dehumanizer featured a different singer, drummer and bassist from TYR; CP a different drummer and singer from Dehumanizer; Forbidden a different drummer again who was then replaced in the middle of the subsequent live tour; and in 1997, everbody except guitarist and keyboarder were replaced again.

Many of those people pursued solo careers or played in other bands later - even if you take only Tony Martin's list of projects and appearences after Sabbath, that's quite impressive, and don't forget about Badlands (feat. ex-Sabbath members Ray Gillen AND Eric singer as well as ex-Ozzy solo band member Jake E. Lee). But most of them weren't hugely successful, that's for sure. DIO is an exception.

[Billy Underdog]

Deep Purple was a pretty successful band for ex-Sabbath vocalist Ian Gillan...

[Zzzptm]

If your point is that more ex-DP guys started SUCCESSFUL bands and solo projects on average after their departure from DP than ex-Sabbath guys, OK. My point was that I don't think DP really had "way more personell churn". The list of former BS members is even longer than the list of former DP members:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Black_Sabbath_band_members
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deep_Purple_band_members
(Of course people like Dave Donato or Ron Keel have to be removed from the BS list, but it would still be longer.)

And it was not just in the 1980ies, it totally continued in the 1990ies: Dehumanizer featured a different singer, drummer and bassist from TYR; CP a different drummer and singer from Dehumanizer; Forbidden a different drummer again who was then replaced in the middle of the subsequent live tour; and in 1997, everbody except guitarist and keyboarder were replaced again.

Many of those people pursued solo careers or played in other bands later - even if you take only Tony Martin's list of projects and appearences after Sabbath, that's quite impressive, and don't forget about Badlands (feat. ex-Sabbath members Ray Gillen AND Eric singer as well as ex-Ozzy solo band member Jake E. Lee). But most of them weren't hugely successful, that's for sure. DIO is an exception.

There are those who consider lineups without Dio, Gillan, or Osbourne to be non-canonical Black Sabbath lineups.

My take on it is that yes, there was a huge amount of churn for Sabbath, post-1985. But, there were also returns to classic lineups, which stayed rather constant, with the exception of the drummer slot. For the Hughes/Martin lineups, most of the members seemed to be journeymen sidemen, not central talents. The appearance of Geezer on Cross Purposes, for example, was kind of an "oooooooooooh, coooooooool!" moment. Same for whenever Cozy Powell turned up to do drums, but Cozy's a player that has more of his own sound, rather than a sound that's part of a specific band.

Outside the Hughes/Martin lineups, the only real change has been in the singer and the toggle flip between Ward on or off as drummer. The first lineup did 8 albums in a row. Whereas, in Purple, Mk1 did 3 albums, Mk2 did 4, Mk3 did 2, Mk4 did 1, and they were disbanded before Black Sabbath switched vocalists.

After the Mk2 Reunion did 2 albums, Gillan was out and Turner was in for one, then Gillan was back in for one and done, and then the banjo player took a hike and DP has had the most stable lineup since that moment. I don't consider Lord's retirement and replacement by Don Airey to be a true lineup change, since his departure didn't involve being fired/quitting/artistic differences/solo projects.

Put another way, when Dan "The Beast" Spitz was let go, it wasn't nearly a big a deal for Black Sabbath as swapping JLT for Gillan was for DP. Not a lot of controversy when Bev Bevan did additional percussion for Eternal Idol, but when Bolin tried to do his own thing with Blackmore-era material, all hell broke loose.

[Zzzptm]

Deep Purple was a pretty successful band for ex-Sabbath vocalist Ian Gillan...

I think you have that backwards. The former members of Black Sabbath were great sidemen for the last incarnation of Gillan, on "Born Again". Although Iommi's no Bernie Torme, I think he was a big improvement on Janick Gers.

[Tyr66]

listen to the new track "Victim Of Pain"  from the Don Airey's upcoming solo album, "One Of A Kind", released on May 25th.
line up:
Carl Sentance - Vocals (Geezer Butler Band / Nazareth / Crossbones with Dario Mollo )
Simon McBride - Guitars
Laurence Cottle - Bass (Black Sabbath, Gary Moore and so many ...)
Jon Finnigan - Drums
and Don .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=LIrE9LP8HXU

[Scott]

If your point is that more ex-DP guys started SUCCESSFUL bands and solo projects on average after their departure from DP than ex-Sabbath guys, OK. My point was that I don't think DP really had "way more personell churn". The list of former BS members is even longer than the list of former DP members:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Black_Sabbath_band_members
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deep_Purple_band_members
(Of course people like Dave Donato or Ron Keel have to be removed from the BS list, but it would still be longer.)

And it was not just in the 1980ies, it totally continued in the 1990ies: Dehumanizer featured a different singer, drummer and bassist from TYR; CP a different drummer and singer from Dehumanizer; Forbidden a different drummer again who was then replaced in the middle of the subsequent live tour; and in 1997, everbody except guitarist and keyboarder were replaced again.

Many of those people pursued solo careers or played in other bands later - even if you take only Tony Martin's list of projects and appearences after Sabbath, that's quite impressive, and don't forget about Badlands (feat. ex-Sabbath members Ray Gillen AND Eric singer as well as ex-Ozzy solo band member Jake E. Lee). But most of them weren't hugely successful, that's for sure. DIO is an exception.

There are those who consider lineups without Dio, Gillan, or Osbourne to be non-canonical Black Sabbath lineups.

My take on it is that yes, there was a huge amount of churn for Sabbath, post-1985. But, there were also returns to classic lineups, which stayed rather constant, with the exception of the drummer slot. For the Hughes/Martin lineups, most of the members seemed to be journeymen sidemen, not central talents. The appearance of Geezer on Cross Purposes, for example, was kind of an "oooooooooooh, coooooooool!" moment. Same for whenever Cozy Powell turned up to do drums, but Cozy's a player that has more of his own sound, rather than a sound that's part of a specific band.

Outside the Hughes/Martin lineups, the only real change has been in the singer and the toggle flip between Ward on or off as drummer. The first lineup did 8 albums in a row. Whereas, in Purple, Mk1 did 3 albums, Mk2 did 4, Mk3 did 2, Mk4 did 1, and they were disbanded before Black Sabbath switched vocalists.

After the Mk2 Reunion did 2 albums, Gillan was out and Turner was in for one, then Gillan was back in for one and done, and then the banjo player took a hike and DP has had the most stable lineup since that moment. I don't consider Lord's retirement and replacement by Don Airey to be a true lineup change, since his departure didn't involve being fired/quitting/artistic differences/solo projects.

Put another way, when Dan "The Beast" Spitz was let go, it wasn't nearly a big a deal for Black Sabbath as swapping JLT for Gillan was for DP. Not a lot of controversy when Bev Bevan did additional percussion for Eternal Idol, but when Bolin tried to do his own thing with Blackmore-era material, all hell broke loose.

I'd argue that Geezer's appearance on CP was more down to him sticking around after Dehumanizer/prepping for the abortive Ozzy reunion, but I don't know for sure. I wasn't around for any interviews that may have been conducted in 1993/4 before/during album release.

[Charger]

listen to the new track "Victim Of Pain"  from the Don Airey's upcoming solo album, "One Of A Kind", released on May 25th.
line up:
Carl Sentance - Vocals (Geezer Butler Band / Nazareth / Crossbones with Dario Mollo )
Simon McBride - Guitars
Laurence Cottle - Bass (Black Sabbath, Gary Moore and so many ...)
Jon Finnigan - Drums
and Don .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=LIrE9LP8HXU

Now that's a pretty good tune! Bit heavier than I expected even. But then again Don has done a lot of heavier stuff than Purple in his days anyways. I'll be getting this album for sure!

[Zzzptm]

Ted made such a good comment about Born Again that it became another thread... but it's in the Black Sabbath part of the forums because the ratio of Sabbath to Purple on that album was 3:1...

[Axefiend]

Just a cool pic of "The Outlaws" backing up "The Killer".

[Axefiend]

... and "The Outlaws" without Jerry Lee:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjXsWNXuoZ4