We Are at War with Islam

[Zzzptm]

No, it's about making blanket statements. It's about making assumptions and applying them to a vast group. They come out wrong.

Muslims can stop terrorism in their ranks no better than gun owners can stop mass shooters in their ranks. We know better than to label all gun owners as mass murderers or even potential mass murderers, so we should also know better than to label swaths of Muslims as terrorists or as potential terrorists.

What are some other totally wrong blanket statements?

Metalheads are satanic.

Dungeons and Dragons players are satanic.

Video games make people more violent.

From the 1960s, it was - people who listen to The Beatles are satanic.

Shapiro is making the same logical error, his comments are worthless.

[Jack the Stripper]

I usually refrain from religious and political debates and discussion online and will continue to do so 

[Charger]

Muslims can stop terrorism in their ranks no better than gun owners can stop mass shooters in their ranks.

One has nothing to do with the other.

But Ofcourse muslims could do a whole lot to stop terrorism. First and foremost they should alter their faith to stop glorifying the killing of innocents. Saying that there won't be 70 virgins waiting for you in the after life if you kill innocents...but do they? Ofcourse not.

[Zzzptm]

Muslims can stop terrorism in their ranks no better than gun owners can stop mass shooters in their ranks.

One has nothing to do with the other.

But Ofcourse muslims could do a whole lot to stop terrorism. First and foremost they should alter their faith to stop glorifying the killing of innocents. Saying that there won't be 70 virgins waiting for you in the after life if you kill innocents...but do they? Ofcourse not.

That's already a thing. It's the guys trying to recruit people to radical movements that make those promises. It's not like the religion as a whole is saying, "Hey, in case you want to kill yourself, there's a 70 virgin package, even if you take kids down with you..." In general,  the members of that faith recoil in horror at such things as you describe.

Yes, we're going to find the exceptions - but they're exceptions, not the rule. The rule can be heard in the great Sufi qawwalis, which glorify peace, brotherhood, and finding commonalities even with nonbelievers. I love the work of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, and his soaring vocals are absolutely a cry for peace, tolerance, and understanding. His popularity stems from both his talent and his message.

If we are at war with that Islam, then we are at war with peace.

[Vyn]

If we are at war with that Islam, then we are at war with peace.

[discman69]

I usually refrain from religious and political debates and discussion online and will continue to do so 

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[Typhon]

Muslims can stop terrorism in their ranks no better than gun owners can stop mass shooters in their ranks.

The difference, which you don't seem to understand, is that many gun owners express their condemnation of a mass shooting.  But little to no Muslims express their condemnation of terrorist acts.  Like when that cartoonist in Europe was murdered for having this Allah character appear in his cartoons.  Sure, most Muslims would not have killed like that, but many said nothing while they quietly were happy to see that someone else did the dirty deed.  Well those folks are just as guilty and should be eliminated just as much.

[Zzzptm]

Muslims can stop terrorism in their ranks no better than gun owners can stop mass shooters in their ranks.

The difference, which you don't seem to understand, is that many gun owners express their condemnation of a mass shooting.  But little to no Muslims express their condemnation of terrorist acts.  Like when that cartoonist in Europe was murdered for having this Allah character appear in his cartoons.  Sure, most Muslims would not have killed like that, but many said nothing while they quietly were happy to see that someone else did the dirty deed.  Well those folks are just as guilty and should be eliminated just as much.

Wrong, totally wrong. Many Muslims *do* express regret, outrage, and condemnation of terror acts.

https://mcb.org.uk/press-releases/easter-sunday-bombings-muslim-council-of-britain-condemns-attacks-in-sri-lanka/
https://www.israelhayom.com/2019/04/21/2-muslim-groups-condemn-sri-lanka-attacks/

One quick Google search, got my condemnations. There's no pope in Islam, so that's why there's no central figure to speak for all of them.

But, speaking of the Pope... https://www.timesofisrael.com/pope-top-sunni-imam-condemn-sri-lanka-bombings/

In Cairo, the spiritual leader of Egypt’s Al-Azhar Mosque, the Sunni Muslim world’s foremost religious institution, condemned the “terrorist” attacks in Sri Lanka.

“I cannot imagine a human being could target the peaceful on their celebration day,” said Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the institution’s grand imam.

“Those terrorists’ perverted disposition goes against the teachings of all religions,” he said in comments published on Al-Azhar’s Twitter account.

The condemnation is global. It is universal. I am not at war with the Imam of the Al-Azhar Mosque.

I get the feeling that the only reason you don't hear or see the condemnations made by Muslim leaders is because you are neither listening or looking.

[Charger]

The thing is there is never ever ANY public outrage about terrorist attacks in muslim countries..ever. We don't see people marching in the streets demanding end to terrorism. Sure we see people marching against the US and Europe all the time.

Sure these imams make public statements where they say their pre-written anecdotes and circumspect condemnations to gain sympathy...while at the same time quite often allowing terrorists to pray and spread their filth in the their mosques.

Again if they would actually WANT to do something to stop terrorism they would prevent those sick bastards access to the mosques and would turn them in...but no...


The thing is the root for the evil and hatered in much of the muslim world is so deep and so profound there can never be a peaceful outcome here.

The tiny majority is in fact the muslim people who truly want peace and want the terror to end...and that is a sad sad thing.

[Charger]

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I usually refrain from religious and political debates and discussion online and will continue to do so 

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That is probably a wise course of action.

In fact I was very much against allowing this topic here but Billy was adamant about it.
But so far we have managed to let the topics fight and not people. Which is the way it should be.

[Zzzptm]

The thing is there is never ever ANY public outrage about terrorist attacks in muslim countries..ever. We don't see people marching in the streets demanding end to terrorism. Sure we see people marching against the US and Europe all the time.

Sure these imams make public statements where they say their pre-written anecdotes and circumspect condemnations to gain sympathy...while at the same time quite often allowing terrorists to pray and spread their filth in the their mosques.

Again if they would actually WANT to do something to stop terrorism they would prevent those sick bastards access to the mosques and would turn them in...but no...


The thing is the root for the evil and hatered in much of the muslim world is so deep and so profound there can never be a peaceful outcome here.

The tiny majority is in fact the muslim people who truly want peace and want the terror to end...and that is a sad sad thing.

You also never see any big marches in Russia or China... this is a function of restrictive governments that don't let their people gather in the streets, whatever the reason.

Your numbers are wrong - it's the tiny minority that's advocating violence. As for Imams that say one thing in English and another in Arabic, that happens, but, again, it's a minority.

But the Muslims *do* make public statements to condemn terror when they can. One of the biggest was in the Indian film, "My Name is Khan", where the lead actor Shahrukh Khan (himself a Muslim) plays a character with Asperger's syndrome who is also Muslim. There is a major scene where he enters a mosque to pray and hears someone advocating violence and then rises up and denounces such talk as coming from Satan. And that's just one example from Indian cinema. There's similar denouncements in films like Khakhee, Rajneeti, and the old classic, Amar Akbar Anthony.

Now, in the democracies, there are protests, and if you look, you will find them.

Dublin, 50 thousand: https://www.98fm.com/news/muslims-gather-to-protest-against-terrorism-in-dublin-189344
2000 mosques in Germany: https://www.worldbulletin.net/islamic-world/thousands-of-german-muslims-protest-against-terrorism-h144759.html
10,000 Muslims in Cologne: https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/10000-muslims-march-against-terrorism/
Muslims in London march: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslims-march-london-protest-isis-terrorism-ashura-islam-peaceful-demonstrators-a7980476.html

And how is it every Muslim is accountable for the actions of others? Group guilt is wrong. As an American, I don't get demands from people to apologize for my country.

[Zzzptm]

Moreover, there was the outpouring of support in Alexandria in 2011, where Muslims stood as human shields around Coptic churches after several churches had been bombed.

It's ludicrous, hateful, inhuman to denigrate a people as a whole out of ignorance, fear, and sheer laziness of thought.

We can do better.

We are not at war with Islam.

[Thelemech]

Here's a small video from few years ago (the numbers would look a hell of a lot bigger nowadays) talking about radical muslim population in the world.

This guy knows what he's talking about.

I LOVE Ben Shapiro, so much so that he has made me a Conservative.

[Charger]

^^^That's cool Thel.
To me Shapiro seems to be quite well informed and isn't afraid to speak the truth either which is something mainstream media nowadays avoids for pc or what ever reasons...Political correctness is the greatest enemy of free speech and truthful news casting.

You also never see any big marches in Russia or China...

Sure there are...atleast once a month you get big news bulletins coming from Russia that people are protesting in Moscow, ST. Petersburg for what ever reason...

Your numbers are wrong - it's the tiny minority that's advocating violence. As for Imams that say one thing in English and another in Arabic, that happens, but, again, it's a minority.

No YOUR numbers are wrong. It is not a minority..not even close. Again if it would be just a minority it would have been rooted out by that vast majority ages ago...but it is not. Sure one can twist and turn that anyway they want to but the truth behind it won't change.

And how is it every Muslim is accountable for the actions of others? Group guilt is wrong. As an American, I don't get demands from people to apologize for my country.

Well they are if they don't try to do a damn thing to stop it. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke

[AnnoMundi]

Maybe I used he wrong choice of words, I should’ve said we are at war with extreme Islam.