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[Charger]

Yeah I'm not a fan of eurovision at all... Usually it seems to be the shittiest song wins type of thing...and it's not really about the music it's about the preformer.

Once upon a time Finland did win with Lordi's Hard Rock Hallelujah which actually wasn't a half bad song...but I think they won more because they were Lordi and all the masks and makeup.

One year I remember a transvestite won! The song was horrible and that beared (YES it was a BEARDED tranny!) bastard couldn't sing a note. But he won because he was a tranny.

There has been the occational good-ish song to win though...I remember some years ago Denmark won and that song was actually pretty good...And Abba won back in the 70s I think.

But yeah...I won't be watching, eventhough Finland is actually a fan favourite to win...but the song is just fuckin' horrible! HORRIBLE I tell ya!

[KiloDeltaCharlie]

Yeah, Abba won in '74 and went on to have a stellar career (not my cup-of-tea, but not everything is), but I doubt there have been that many winners who have gone on to be a success in the last 30+ years.

There was talk of the US having their own version, with each state taking part, but I don't know if that ever happened.

EDIT: Essentially what I'm saying is: winning this competition is a career killer that it probably wasn't before the 80s.

[Charger]

I don't know how well established the artists are in the first place that take part in these Eurovision....atleast in Finland most have been total unknowns before entering the contest....part from few.

But one thing is for sure eurovision is hardly a career booster...usually these turn out to be one hit wonders.

[Zzzptm]

Wait, the UK is part of Europe? Or is it one of those "friendly outliers" like Israel and Australia?

[KiloDeltaCharlie]

Brexiteers would love it if we could put a couple of outboard motors on the east coast and move the UK a little further from Europe than it currently is. However, the UK left the "European Union" not Europe! Many of the countries who take part in Eurovision are not in the EU such as Switzerland, Norway, Armenia, Belarus, Russia and so on.

[Zzzptm]

So something like an image of Doggerland would make those types break out in spots, I'm guessing...

[Zzzptm]

Just saw that OceanGate recently took down its LinkedIn advert for an open submarine pilot position...

[KiloDeltaCharlie]

^^^
No sub... no need for a pilot!

Seriously though they shouldn't have gone anywhere near the Titanic in that thing... it was rated for 4000m, just 200m more than the Titanic lies. When James Cameron went he was in a sub rated for 6000m, rule of thumb is if you need to go down a particular depth, use a sub rated 50% more than that.

[Vyn]

Agreed - they should not have been using that submersible for tourist trips to gawk at the Titanic 12,500 feet under the ocean's surface.

I keep reading about the carbon fiber used to manufacture the hull - it seems that if they had used the standard for such things, steel and titanium, it wouldn't have been an issue. Not sure why they chose carbon fiber. From what I gather it is very susceptible to damage in ways that aren't obvious, and it has a "shrink factor" under pressure that differs from the titanium and steel they used for the hull caps. So even though they had successfully used the craft before, every time caused (they speculate) changes in the carbon fiber structure that weakened it.

Especially bad news (as we now know) when you're dealing with ~6,000 pounds per square inch of pressure.

Did they build it with carbon fiber because it was cheaper? Easier to acquire? Thought it was cool? It wasn't like Stockton Rush didn't have plenty of people warning him off of it, and he himself wasn't some no0blet. And it also wasn't like he was trying to explore new frontiers and had to make due with the mats he had available. It was a fucking tourist trip - dangerous? sure, but he seemed to have made it unnecessarily MORE dangerous. I just don't get it.

[Zzzptm]

They use carbon fiber in awesome supercars. Therefore it MUST be good for submarines, spacecraft, and toupees!

[Charger]

Carbon Fiber is light weight and extremely durable why it seems to be rather ideal for submersibles. BUT as Vyn said it has different qualities than metals and as such can be more vunerable to damage.

Carbon Fiber requires a strong skeleton made of titanium to work properly.

Carbon Fiber is NOT cheap. So that couldn't have been the factor. I am assuming it was for weight purposes. And ofcourse if used right it can be just as strong as most metals...but in different ways. I do not know what the pressure capablities of it are.

But clearly the sub was not rated for such deep dives...or techincally it was but without any real margin...and with subs you want margin...a lot of it!

[Zzzptm]

But clearly the sub was not rated for such deep dives...or techincally it was but without any real margin...and with subs you want margin...a lot of it!

What are you, some kind of health and safety nutjob? If so, I'm 100% with you. I'm constantly worn down by organizations looking to save on their budget by cutting safety and security programs. In those cases, it's never a problem until it is, and when it is, it's a massive one.

[Charger]

Yeah that's me! Health and safety always come third!

[Charger]

Pretty cool this one:

https://westsidebid.co.uk/2023/07/06/rock-legend-tony-iommi-presented-with-old-fossil-named-after-him-on-westside/

[Zzzptm]

Yeah, that's really cool.