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[Zzzptm]

No worries. No matter what, I love you guys.

[Typhon]

Project Veritas does it again, exposing an Assistant Principal at a Greenwich Connecticut public school admitting that he does not hire Catholics because they tend to be conservative.

[KiloDeltaCharlie]

So Queen Elizabeth II has just died. I'm not a royalist, but it's still a sad moment. She was 96 and had been Queen for 70 years. She had failing health but was still doing her duties including only this last Tuesday she accepted the resignation of Boris Johnson and the appointment of Liz Truss as the new Prime Minister.

King Charles (the III if he keeps that name) and many of the family were with her.

[Zzzptm]

I loved hearing the story of how she demonstrated how women could drive to the Saudis. She had been an Ambulance driver in WW2 and took them on a harrowing Range Rover cross-country ride.

[Vyn]

It is really the end of an era.

[Typhon]

Part of my home state of Massachusetts is the swanky island of Martha's Vineyard, where many wealthy folks live.  Even the Obamas have a residence there, I hear.

This passed Wednesday, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent two small planes to Martha’s Vineyard and dropped off approximately 50 migrants who had illegally crossed the border.  Well somebody must of given a quick call to my governor, because he sent 120 national guard troops, and in less than 24 hours later the migrants were being bussed out, heading to Joint Base Cape Cod.

Here's the best part.  This sign is proudly displayed to the general public on the island.



Yeah they really "stand with immigrants", except when the immigrants come to their neighborhood.  Does the term f#$king hypocrite come to mind? 

[Charger]

That's so typical of that type though isn't it...?

[Vyn]

I read about that Martha's Vineyard fiasco. Not a lot of open doors when what they like to virtue signal about actually comes knocking.

[Zzzptm]

So let's break this all down...

1. The Florida officials told the asylum seekers that if they got on the planes, they'd be flown to Boston to receive jobs and housing.
2. People at Martha's Vineyard provided the asylum seekers with food, water, and other resources. Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/desantis-marthas-vineyard-migrants-texas-b2168475.html
3. Martha's Vineyard lacks long-term refugee settlement resources, so that's why the emergency was called: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis had effectively signed off on a plan to lie to asylum seekers and drop them in a place that did not know they were coming and that had no resources on hand for a long-term solution.
4. Texas Governor Greg Abbott sent 100 asylum seekers, including Venezuelans, to Vice President Kamala Harris' residence in Washington, DC.
5. These asylum seekers were on the road for over 30 hours. Two of them, including an infant, were taken to the hospital because of the rigors of the trip.
6. Again, the Republican governor signed off on lying to them - in this case, promising food, shelter, and jobs in New York City if they got on the buses.

So, if putting defenseless civilians on to transportation and lying about what awaited them is something you want to celebrate, I feel very sorry for you. The story is not that places unable to handle immigrants were suddenly faced with a significant care crisis. It's that two Republican governors and a large swath of the party feels that such an inhumane political stunt is justified.

US Rep Bill Keating, whose district includes Martha’s Vineyard, said in a statement that “history does not look kindly on leaders who treat human beings like cargo, loading them up and sending them a thousand miles away without telling them their destination.”

What DeSantis and Abbott did was inexcusably inhumane and cruel. They engaged in human trafficking for their selfish political gain. And why these and why now?

They both signed off on anti-abortion laws so restrictive, they essentially close the door on any say a woman has in her pregnancy. The laws are similar to ones in other states that have been used to prosecute both woman and gynecologists involved in miscarriages and successfully send them to prison. These laws are ferociously unpopular and threaten to be issues that unseat them in November.

So, to distract from their legislation that strips women of significant rights, they engage in this pair of cruel political stunts and push the story that, somehow, the people who were unprepared to receive migrants were hypocrites. In actuality, the people at those destinations moved to provide aid to fellow human beings and get them to better shelter after they had been lied to, kidnapped, and abandoned by opportunistic politicians.

[Vyn]

So let's break this all down...

...

The entire situation is an embarrassment. First: these are living, breathing human beings trying to better their lot in life. Second: We have a problem with our borders. Third: It seems everyone in a position to effect practical change used those folks to further their own agenda. Were they given transport? Yep. Were they lied to? Yep. Were they given food, water, etc. when they arrived at Martha's Grapeville? Yep.

Fourth: The folks at Martha's Vineyard helped those folks to the extent that they were then able to have them carted off to somewhere else. They aren't setup to handle immigrants like that? No doubt. So what?

No one there said, "Hey, let's convert <some place> into a temp housing, and find these people gainful employment. Get their children into school. Help them build their new life."

They said, "Sorry, we're not setup for this kind of thing. Here's a Dasani while you wait for your bus out of here."

Fifth: is it unreasonable of me to expect a community to shift gears in the face of an unexpected (and wholly unwarranted) situation? Somewhat. But not entirely. Those folks had the opportunity to become directly involved in bettering someone else's life, and it wasn't worth the challenge or sacrifice to do so.

That is bad optics. Regardless of the actual situation.

And finally, sixth: Those assholes that shipped the immigrants to Martha's Vineyard should have their collective ass kicked. That was some Nazi brain-fucking they did to those folks. And they are well aware that all they had to do was make a call and they could have sent them to somewhere appropriate. But that doesn't garner headlines.

And they used those people like cattle. Fuck them and Martha's Vineyard. Both of them had the chance to be something great for someone else and they chose not to.




 

[Typhon]

1. It was the Biden administration's open border policy that greatly increased the problem to begin with.  I wonder how many people died on their journey to the border after hearing about this change in policy.

2. Small border towns sure have less ability, than Martha's Vineyard, to deal with the hundreds of migrants flooding in each and every week.

3. What DeSantis did was simply call their bluff.  The MV residence claimed "we stand with immigrants" and "all are welcome here."  Their phoniness is now exposed.

4. In my local area we have decided to change the name "Martha's Vineyard" to "Hypocrite Island."   

[Charger]

Now here's something:

https://jalopnik.com/marked-cop-cars-targeted-by-catalytic-converter-thieves-1849540691

[Zzzptm]

1. It was the Biden administration's open border policy that greatly increased the problem to begin with.  I wonder how many people died on their journey to the border after hearing about this change in policy.

2. Small border towns sure have less ability, than Martha's Vineyard, to deal with the hundreds of migrants flooding in each and every week.

3. What DeSantis did was simply call their bluff.  The MV residence claimed "we stand with immigrants" and "all are welcome here."  Their phoniness is now exposed.

4. In my local area we have decided to change the name "Martha's Vineyard" to "Hypocrite Island."   

You wonder in your first point - that tells me you have no data, it's speculation. If you're going to say "greatly increased", we need numbers there.

You also speculate on services available at the border. Here's a hint: border towns frequently have better plug-ins to immigration facilities than areas further north.

What DeSantis did was cruel, treating people as disposable. He just signed a law that claims to treat every life as precious and then he does this action that treats life as anything but precious.

He lied to 50 people, telling them that services awaited them at their destination and then sent them into a place that was completely unprepared to receive them. Let's focus on that aspect: are you cool with acts of cruelty such as that?

[Typhon]

1. It was the Biden administration's open border policy that greatly increased the problem to begin with.  I wonder how many people died on their journey to the border after hearing about this change in policy.

2. Small border towns sure have less ability, than Martha's Vineyard, to deal with the hundreds of migrants flooding in each and every week.

3. What DeSantis did was simply call their bluff.  The MV residence claimed "we stand with immigrants" and "all are welcome here."  Their phoniness is now exposed.

4. In my local area we have decided to change the name "Martha's Vineyard" to "Hypocrite Island."   

You wonder in your first point - that tells me you have no data, it's speculation. If you're going to say "greatly increased", we need numbers there.

You also speculate on services available at the border. Here's a hint: border towns frequently have better plug-ins to immigration facilities than areas further north.

What DeSantis did was cruel, treating people as disposable. He just signed a law that claims to treat every life as precious and then he does this action that treats life as anything but precious.

He lied to 50 people, telling them that services awaited them at their destination and then sent them into a place that was completely unprepared to receive them. Let's focus on that aspect: are you cool with acts of cruelty such as that?

The number of illegal border crossings per month are at record highs under Biden.  You can easily find those numbers.  Stop with the dumb guy act.

Small border towns are overwhelmed with hundreds a week crossing.  Again, can easily be found.

DeSantis reiterated what my state was claiming.  It's a sanctuary place, we stand with you, all are welcome.  It was my state that lied, not him.

Biden flew hundreds of migrants in the dead of night all over the country without telling anybody.  Where were the complaints then?

[Zzzptm]

No, Typhon, I want you to post the numbers that you claim justify your points. That's how debates work. Can't say, "I'm right, look up the proof yourself." This is not a "dumb guy act". Also, I think you intended that comment as an insult to me, but I won't receive it as such.

Massachusetts has so far taken in the migrants and hasn't shipped them back to Florida or anything like that, so no lies on Massachusetts' part.

And I didn't ask if someone else had flown migrants - but I did look up on that story - those flights attributed to Biden were authorized under the DHS' purview as reuniting family members who had been separated at the border. So those are legal and compassionate, to boot.

As opposed to DeSantis' act of cruelty. And, again I ask, are you cool with that? Straight up question, yes or no, are you cool with an act of cruelty such as DeSantis did?