SSCI Finds Russians Interfered in 2016 USA Election

[Sicko FanAtic]

I would think it went well.

I mean I *wouldn't* think it went well. There are many summits. Both good and bad. It's hard to say. I'm sure they made some good deals about the cyber and the nuclear and Putin promised not to collude in the 2020 election.

Well said. By which I mean while sad...

Look, if you were a diplomat and somebody from the press asked you to condemn the guy standing next to you, with whom you are supposed to be diplomacizing, then, after maybe calling into question why you're even holding a press conference with this turd, maybe, you'd also probably kiss the dictator's ass in public. Right?


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[Zzzptm]

Mr. Trump certainly had no problem with trashing leaders that were properly diplomatically elected to their faces.

I watched him this morning on the news and he's saying he wasn't going to go screaming and yelling to Putin like some people wanted. I don't believe anyone wanted that. We wanted him to show us the strength of a Nixon or a Reagan.

And never mind what comment Trump is walking back. The fact that he's walking back ANY comment made in such a setting indicates something went off the rails - probably when he went off his script.

[Vyn]

There was a time, not too long ago, that behaving that way would cause a person to be hung for treason.

We're much more enlightened 'round these parts nowadays. I nominate the POTUS for the Nobel Peace Prize.

I mean, come on, talk about giving yourself a reach around, I mean reaching across the aisle!

[Zzzptm]

More news this morning about the Senate passing a unanimous resolution to not allow US citizens to be interrogated by Russians, which Trump proposed as a good idea at Helsinki.

Party affiliation and aims aside, I see this as a follower of politics and realize that a president that manages to alienate Congress with his words and actions is a president headed towards impeachment. With the smoke around Trump, I'm sure there's a fire there somewhere that can serve as the basis of "high crimes and misdemeanors" to justify the political move to impeach and then convict.

Clinton was impeached, but there was no real chance he was going to be convicted. Andrew Johnson was impeached, but no so unpopular as to get the necessary votes for impeachment. Nixon was unpopular enough, but resigned as the House prepared articles of impeachment.

Trump is not popular now, and should the Democrats do as well as they are projected to do in the 2018 elections, he will be less popular when the new Congress is seated in 2019. I used to think that he'd be a lame duck for his last two years and then be out as a one-termer, but now I think that Mike Pence might finish out Trump's term.

[Sicko FanAtic]

Oh, and by the way

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/20/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-playboy-model-recording/index.html

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[Zzzptm]

Oh, and by the way

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/20/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-playboy-model-recording/index.html

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Yeah, there's that.

I read a lawyer blog that says Cohen was, legally speaking, a negligent idiot for recording his clients' conversations. One of the worst things a lawyer can do when conversing with a client, particularly about matters that are unprivileged, such as planning how to evade the law, also known as "criminal activity."

[Sicko FanAtic]

Typhon, Charger, come quick! Trump needs you!

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[Zzzptm]

I've taken a peek at the Carter Page surveillance warrant... daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang...

Mr. Page has a lot of explaining to do and "fake news!" ain't gonna cut it. Trump and Co.'s constant trashing of the nation's top cops sounds more and more like some kind of scenery-chewing gangster in a 1930s crime flick.

"YOU CAN'T CATCH ME, YOU FLATFOOT COPPERS! GO HELP SOME OLD LADIES ACROSS THE ROAD AND GET OUTTA MY WAY!" ... or something like that.

We have laws, and law enforcement is enforcing those laws. I know quite a few folks that voted for Trump are of the mind that if the police are issuing search warrants, that target is probably guilty. Same logic seems very valid here.

[Sicko FanAtic]

Trump has changed his tune from "no collusion!!" to "collusion is not a crime." Yikes.

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[Zzzptm]

Trump has changed his tune from "no collusion!!" to "collusion is not a crime." Yikes.

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Technically, it's the conspiracy that's the federally-defined crime. But, yeah, collusion happened. It's a disgrace. The guy's like a villain out of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang...

[Typhon]

Just like the mainstream media, you guys tell only half of the story.   Yes, Trump said collusion is not a crime.  He then stated that it doesn't matter anyway, because there was no collusion. 

[Sicko FanAtic]

Just like the mainstream media, you guys tell only half of the story.   Yes, Trump said collusion is not a crime.  He then stated that it doesn't matter anyway, because there was no collusion.

But just in case y'all find out there really is collusion, which it now seems you will, I'll add this new bit about collusion not being a crime, and all my talking heads will parrot me, and forums across the land will be abuzz with my new little ear worm, and in the end, that's all that matters.

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[Zzzptm]

Just like the mainstream media, you guys tell only half of the story.   Yes, Trump said collusion is not a crime.  He then stated that it doesn't matter anyway, because there was no collusion. 

There was alleged conspiracy, and that's the legal term for the collusion. This story has the same drip-drip-drip that went with Watergate.

If there was no collusion, it's a moot issue to argue if it was a crime or not. If there was collusion, then it's vital to change the argument from discussions of conspiracy, either before the fact or after the fact, with a foreign power. Given that Giuliani has done a pig's breakfast of a job as lawyer, we have a scenario in which the Trump team knew about the meeting with the Russian operatives, that Trump was aware of it and dictated statements that meeting participants should give to the press, and then Trump and his team proceeded to cover up the meeting. When the meeting couldn't be covered up, they lied about the agenda of the meeting. When that was shown to be a lie, they went with the "Well, the info on Hillary wasn't a big nothing."

Doesn't matter if the info they wanted from the Russians was a big nothing. They did all that conspiracy with a foreign power for no benefit and massive future liability, which is coming home to haunt them now.

[Typhon]

2 years from now I'm going to dig up some of these posts, so we can all recognize how delusional you guys were. 

[Zzzptm]

2 years from now I'm going to dig up some of these posts, so we can all recognize how delusional you guys were. 

It's OK. You don't have to be right.