SSCI Finds Russians Interfered in 2016 USA Election

[Zzzptm]

But for the hardest supporters for Trump, there are quite a few facts that are uncomfortable to accept and then reconcile with their standards. This is a man who has confessed to an attitude of general sexual harassment, who cheated on multiple wives, and had that affair with the actress that's got him in a legal mess. How is this guy family-friendly?

Even if any of this were true (I'm sure some is and some is not), now you are reminding me of the 1990s when a lot of people (mostly republicans) were upset because then President Clinton may have been screwing around on his wife.  Coincidentally, another President who had the economy running great.  I didn't give a damn about that stuff then, and I don't give a damn about that stuff now.

Hold on... this is the stuff that Trump's pretty much either admitted to at one point in his public record, or where we have substantial evidence and testimony to support the accuracy thereof. I'll give a pass on "I don't give a damn", fair enough. But it's also not a matter of some true, some ain't. The man has done a lot of cheating and has bragged about it.

But for those who do insist on family values, this guy ain't any of them.

[Typhon]

^^^^^^
The story I seriously doubt is the porn star.  She and her attorney have done an extensive publicity tour, releasing a lot of hot air, but producing no evidence. 

George W. said he was going to bring family values back to the White House.  Of course, he also got us in a war that should have never happened, allowed the worst attack on American soil in modern history, and tanked the economy.  But, at least he brought those family values back to the White House. 

[Billy Underdog]

George W. said he was going to bring family values back to the White House.  Of course, he also got us in a war that should have never happened, allowed the worst attack on American soil in modern history, and tanked the economy.  But, at least he brought those family values back to the White House.

[Charger]

allowed the worst attack on American soil in modern history

Actually if one wants to point fingers at this it should be pointed at Bill Clinton as Osama Bin Laden was in the cross hairs back during his adminstration and if I recall correctly the CIA had people on the ground with eyes on Bin Laden and finger on the trigger but Clinton did not authorize the hit. Had Bin Laden been taken out at that point (1999?) the 2001 attacks most likely would have never happened.

[Typhon]

allowed the worst attack on American soil in modern history

Actually if one wants to point fingers at this it should be pointed at Bill Clinton as Osama Bin Laden was in the cross hairs back during his adminstration and if I recall correctly the CIA had people on the ground with eyes on Bin Laden and finger on the trigger but Clinton did not authorize the hit. Had Bin Laden been taken out at that point (1999?) the 2001 attacks most likely would have never happened.

Probably true.

[Zzzptm]

Well, the whole Bin Laden thing was complicated by inter-departmental rivalries. Also, the USA was not yet in a frame of mind to justify extrajudicial killings on the scale that would include a pre-9/11 Bin Laden.

After 9/11, the USA was in that frame of mind and the programs of extrajudicial killings began under Bush and were expanded under Obama.

But back to the topic at hand, I don't doubt the stripper/sex actress' story. The evidence brought up is not of the encounter itself, but of the bungled-up bank transfers that show an attempt to pay her off and to conceal many aspects of the payoff. From the looks of it, it seems to be a classic case of bank fraud, mixed in with billing fraud and campaign finance fraud.

She wouldn't have gotten the money if there weren't any legs to her story. At the same time, I can see how holes could be punched into parts of it, so I'm willing to let that slide. But the money trail... that's the mess that is 100% the doing of Trump and his associates. Even if Ms. Daniels is bogus in her claims, the hush money payoffs were themselves incriminating.

[Typhon]

She wouldn't have gotten the money if there weren't any legs to her story. At the same time, I can see how holes could be punched into parts of it, so I'm willing to let that slide. But the money trail... that's the mess that is 100% the doing of Trump and his associates. Even if Ms. Daniels is bogus in her claims, the hush money payoffs were themselves incriminating.

Cohen paid her the money without Trump's knowledge.  All that means is that he may have believed her or wasn't sure, so being more safe than sorry.  Still proves nothing.

[Zzzptm]

She wouldn't have gotten the money if there weren't any legs to her story. At the same time, I can see how holes could be punched into parts of it, so I'm willing to let that slide. But the money trail... that's the mess that is 100% the doing of Trump and his associates. Even if Ms. Daniels is bogus in her claims, the hush money payoffs were themselves incriminating.

Cohen paid her the money without Trump's knowledge.  All that means is that he may have believed her or wasn't sure, so being more safe than sorry.  Still proves nothing.

Giuliani, speaking in the capacity as Trump's lawyer, said that Trump *did* know about the payment.

[Typhon]

She wouldn't have gotten the money if there weren't any legs to her story. At the same time, I can see how holes could be punched into parts of it, so I'm willing to let that slide. But the money trail... that's the mess that is 100% the doing of Trump and his associates. Even if Ms. Daniels is bogus in her claims, the hush money payoffs were themselves incriminating.

Cohen paid her the money without Trump's knowledge.  All that means is that he may have believed her or wasn't sure, so being more safe than sorry.  Still proves nothing.

Giuliani, speaking in the capacity as Trump's lawyer, said that Trump *did* know about the payment.

Giuliani also said Trump *did not* know what the payment was for.

[Sicko FanAtic]

Cohen paid her the money without Trump's knowledge.  All that means is that he may have believed her or wasn't sure, so being more safe than sorry.  Still proves nothing.

Bridge in Brooklyn I'm selling...

C'mon now. Trump had no knowledge?



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[Typhon]

Cohen paid her the money without Trump's knowledge.  All that means is that he may have believed her or wasn't sure, so being more safe than sorry.  Still proves nothing.

Bridge in Brooklyn I'm selling...

C'mon now. Trump had no knowledge?

One has to understand the differences in the way some of the people that are super wealthy live.  Cohen was Trump's fix-it guy.  He had a free hand to take care of problems that his boss was to busy to bother with.  So when Cohen would present the boss with a stack of checks to endorse, Trump is not going to ask what every single check is for.  Now I know what you are thinking, "but a check for $100,000 ?"  Well the sad truth is that $100,000 to Trump is like $10 to you and me.

[Zzzptm]

Thing is, given Trump's history, the way his name keeps cropping up whenever Russian Oligarchs are in the news, the fact that he lies so often he's had some of the best lawyers in the land bail on him rather than face disbarment for suborning perjury... I'm inclined to *not* give him a pass in this case. There's too much mess around him for it to all be nothing. And I think there's a real chance there's not only something to all this, there's likely a whole lot more to come.

There's proof enough to get grand juries involved to issue indictments where they raid Trump's personal lawyer's office. That's pretty much what happens just before the RICO indictments start to fly out.

[Typhon]

No collusion!

[Sicko FanAtic]

 
One has to understand the differences in the way some of the people that are super wealthy live.  Cohen was Trump's fix-it guy.  He had a free hand to take care of problems that his boss was to busy to bother with.  So when Cohen would present the boss with a stack of checks to endorse, Trump is not going to ask what every single check is for.  Now I know what you are thinking, "but a check for $100,000 ?"  Well the sad truth is that $100,000 to Trump is like $10 to you and me.

No, I wasn't thinking that, haha. If Trump has numerous affairs and this was just another one to hush up, then I could see Cohen not bothering to tell him. He very likely has had numerous affairs actually...so, yeah, maybe.

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[Typhon]

Why do you guys always assume the worst in someone?