What Black Sabbath did you listen to today?

[Typhon]

God Is Dead?  (this song has gained epic status with me)

Still epically BAD in my book...

I hope this is typical "Charger" exaggeration.  You may not care for the song, and that is fine.  But to seriously call it epically bad, that would indicate some type of mental problem.  I hope this is not the case.    I speak as a concerned friend.

[Charger]

God Is Dead?  (this song has gained epic status with me)

Still epically BAD in my book...

I hope this is typical "Charger" exaggeration.  You may not care for the song, and that is fine.  But to seriously call it epically bad, that would indicate some type of mental problem.  I hope this is not the case.    I speak as a concerned friend.

Well in all honesty I think we all know I do have severe mental problems...

But yeah a song that has a boring intro that lasts longer that half of the length of the song (which is over 9(!!!!) minutes tobegin with) is pretty epical failure in my book...and ofcourse then when the song actually does start what does it start with...a rip-off riff!! Had they cut that intro into just the first verse and then headed straight into the Hole In the Sky riff part the song would have lasted about 5 minutes and could have been a good one...but as such...it's just a big turd.

[Typhon]

^^^^^^
What you call the intro, I call the song.  You wouldn't call Wheels Of Confusion the intro, and The Straightener the song would you?

I hear no Hole In The Sky riff at all.  God Is Dead? has its own riffs.

[Charger]

^^^^^^
What you call the intro, I call the song.  You wouldn't call Wheels Of Confusion the intro, and The Straightener the song would you?

Well ofcourse not cause on my copy of Vol4 there is no such thing as The Straightener...

Hadn't even realised the structural similarities between Wheels and God Is Dead...Not a big fan of Wheels either honestly (nothing really wrong with the song itself but it is such a horrible choice for an opener it gets skipped almost every time I play the album) so it hadn't hit me...but yeah you are right...so there's another reason to dislike God Is Dead...another self plagiarism case.

[Typhon]

^^^^^^
What you call the intro, I call the song.  You wouldn't call Wheels Of Confusion the intro, and The Straightener the song would you?

Well ofcourse not cause on my copy of Vol4 there is no such thing as The Straightener...

Hadn't even realised the structural similarities between Wheels and God Is Dead...Not a big fan of Wheels either honestly (nothing really wrong with the song itself but it is such a horrible choice for an opener it gets skipped almost every time I play the album) so it hadn't hit me...but yeah you are right...so there's another reason to dislike God Is Dead...another self plagiarism case.

   Now you are talking just plain crazy, if not blasphemy.  How can anyone here skip a song as awesome, as commanding, as prophetic, as the great Wheels Of Confusion?  I am at a loss. 

[Charger]

  Now you are talking just plain crazy, if not blasphemy.  How can anyone here skip a song as awesome, as commanding, as prophetic, as the great Wheels Of Confusion?  I am at a loss. 

I've talked about this before...Wheels would have fitted so much better as a closer. Tomorrow's Dream should have been the opener and the album would flow much better. Now the song gets wasted because a slow almost soft song is no way to start an album. Again there's nothing really wrong with the song itself (although it is bit on the overlong side) but it was probably about as bad of a choice for an opener as it could get. And as such I always start the album with Tomorrow's Dream and then I quite often just forget to play it afterwards. That song would have made a whole different impact on me had it not been the opener I am sure.

[Typhon]

  Now you are talking just plain crazy, if not blasphemy.  How can anyone here skip a song as awesome, as commanding, as prophetic, as the great Wheels Of Confusion?  I am at a loss. 

I've talked about this before...Wheels would have fitted so much better as a closer. Tomorrow's Dream should have been the opener and the album would flow much better. Now the song gets wasted because a slow almost soft song is no way to start an album. Again there's nothing really wrong with the song itself (although it is bit on the overlong side) but it was probably about as bad of a choice for an opener as it could get. And as such I always start the album with Tomorrow's Dream and then I quite often just forget to play it afterwards. That song would have made a whole different impact on me had it not been the opener I am sure.

Phew.    Well at least that is a little more understandable.  For a while there, the way you were talking, I thought you was in the middle of some kind of drunken binge.  Although I still don't get how you would call Wheels an "almost soft song".  It has plenty of punch to it.  Plus, I know you have this need to have an opener that is fast-paced.  But Tomorrow's Dream is hardly that. 
Anyhow, Wheels has always been in my top 5 best.  Therefore, I felt the need to defend it. 

[Charger]

Phew.    Well at least that is a little more understandable.  For a while there, the way you were talking, I thought you was in the middle of some kind of drunken binge.  Although I still don't get how you would call Wheels an "almost soft song".  It has plenty of punch to it.  Plus, I know you have this need to have an opener that is fast-paced.  But Tomorrow's Dream is hardly that. 
Anyhow, Wheels has always been in my top 5 best.  Therefore, I felt the need to defend it. 

Ofcourse we all have the need to defend our favourite tracks!

I don't have "drunken binges" anymore!

Well compared to most big Sabbath numbers up to that point Wheels is quite a bit softer.

Tomorrow's Dream is a nice faster rocky track in my book...they opened shows quite a bit with that in the early 70s as well and it worked brilliantly in that as well.

[Zzzptm]

Wow, panning "Wheels of Confusion"? 

I love that song, and I love it as an opener. Appending "The Straightener" makes it even more brilliant. And how is a fast tempo required for an epic opener? If so, "Black Sabbath" would like to have a word with you, sir!

Now for "God Is Dead?"...

I do notice a familiarity in the riff around 5 mins in, reminded me of "Shock Wave", but not in a big way. I had to think a bit to hear it, but it's there. And then, at 5:14 in the official video, there's a superimposed image of one of the dudes from the cover of NSD. So I guess it's not just me that hears the connection.

My feeling on Iommi's playing on the track is that, well... he's Tony Iommi. He's going to play what he plays because he is who he is.

This is not a bad track at all and holds its own ground quite easily. I put it in the middle of Sabbath's output, where there are plenty of good songs to keep it company.

[Typhon]

Wow, panning "Wheels of Confusion"? 

I love that song, and I love it as an opener. Appending "The Straightener" makes it even more brilliant. And how is a fast tempo required for an epic opener? If so, "Black Sabbath" would like to have a word with you, sir!

Now for "God Is Dead?"...

I do notice a familiarity in the riff around 5 mins in, reminded me of "Shock Wave", but not in a big way. I had to think a bit to hear it, but it's there. And then, at 5:14 in the official video, there's a superimposed image of one of the dudes from the cover of NSD. So I guess it's not just me that hears the connection.

My feeling on Iommi's playing on the track is that, well... he's Tony Iommi. He's going to play what he plays because he is who he is.

This is not a bad track at all and holds its own ground quite easily. I put it in the middle of Sabbath's output, where there are plenty of good songs to keep it company.

  This is the best post I have seen from you, without question.

[Zzzptm]

Wow, panning "Wheels of Confusion"? 

I love that song, and I love it as an opener. Appending "The Straightener" makes it even more brilliant. And how is a fast tempo required for an epic opener? If so, "Black Sabbath" would like to have a word with you, sir!

Now for "God Is Dead?"...

I do notice a familiarity in the riff around 5 mins in, reminded me of "Shock Wave", but not in a big way. I had to think a bit to hear it, but it's there. And then, at 5:14 in the official video, there's a superimposed image of one of the dudes from the cover of NSD. So I guess it's not just me that hears the connection.

My feeling on Iommi's playing on the track is that, well... he's Tony Iommi. He's going to play what he plays because he is who he is.

This is not a bad track at all and holds its own ground quite easily. I put it in the middle of Sabbath's output, where there are plenty of good songs to keep it company.

  This is the best post I have seen from you, without question.

I thank you, sir.

[Typhon]

[Thelemech]

[Zzzptm]

Side 2 of Paranoid.

[Thelemech]