Healthy Black Metal

[Zzzptm]

^Hold on there! That's not healthy black metal! She's smoking!

[AnnoMundi]

I don’t know if this is considered healthy Black Metal or not and I don’t think there is such a thing, but here it goes.

I just bought the Mayhem Dawn of the Blackhearts bootleg, the one with Dead’s suicide photo on the cover, does anyone know if this is a good example of Mayhem’s music?

[AnnoMundi]

Ive been doing some Black Metal studying Immortal use to be Old Funeral Kristian Virkenes old band.

Are there any Black Metal aficionados or experts here who would like to discuss this genre with me?

[Thelemech]

  As I stated in my PM to you I am far from an expert but I do know some stuff.
I know that Darkthrone is the greatest of all the Norwegian bands 

Billy knew A LOT about Black Metal, he would have had something great to say and contribute.

[AnnoMundi]

As I stated in my PM to you I am far from an expert but I do know some stuff.
I know that Darkthrone is the greatest of all the Norwegian bands 

Billy knew A LOT about Black Metal, he would have had something great to say and contribute.

How about the bootleg I just bought, Mayhem Dawn Of The Blackhearts? Is that any good?

[Thelemech]

I don’t know if this is considered healthy Black Metal or not and I don’t think there is such a thing, but here it goes.

I just bought the Mayhem Dawn of the Blackhearts bootleg, the one with Dead’s suicide photo on the cover, does anyone know if this is a good example of Mayhem’s music?

I like Mayhem but I prefer Darkthrone and Immortal along with the first 2 Emperor albums. I hate the cover of this bootleg because of the fact that Euronymous took the picture after the very real suicide of Dead. Not very classy if you ask me.

[Thelemech]

As I stated in my PM to you I am far from an expert but I do know some stuff.
I know that Darkthrone is the greatest of all the Norwegian bands 

Billy knew A LOT about Black Metal, he would have had something great to say and contribute.

How about the bootleg I just bought, Mayhem Dawn Of The Blackhearts? Is that any good?

It is OK but I am only passingly familiar with it to be honest. I do have it on one of my older computers but have not listened to it in years.

[AnnoMundi]

I don’t know if this is considered healthy Black Metal or not and I don’t think there is such a thing, but here it goes.

I just bought the Mayhem Dawn of the Blackhearts bootleg, the one with Dead’s suicide photo on the cover, does anyone know if this is a good example of Mayhem’s music?

I like Mayhem but I prefer Darkthrone and Immortal along with the first 2 Emperor albums. I hate the cover of this bootleg because of the fact that Euronymous took the picture after the very real suicide of Dead. Not very classy if you ask me.

The cover is sick if you ask me, but all the cds I searched had it so I had no choice, I wish I could ask Billy, I’m sure he knew a lot, may he be resting in peace.

Who started Black Metal? Many say it was Venom, but many docs I’ve seen consider them a joke. So was it Euronymous who invented Black Metal?

Darkthrone is Fenriz’s band right?

[Thelemech]

For my money Celtic Frost were the first Black Metal band. Along with Venom and Bathory these three bands would set the ball rolling for the genre.
Yes Darkthrone is Fenriz's band. The absolute pinnacle of Black Metal if you ask me.

[AnnoMundi]

For my money Celtic Frost were the first Black Metal band. Along with Venom and Bathory these three bands would set the ball rolling for the genre.
Yes Darkthrone is Fenriz's band. The absolute pinnacle of Black Metal if you ask me.

This is what I’ve heard, but when you watch the interviews of the second wave of Black Metal guys they say Venom weren’t Black Metal, and many cite Euronymous has the guy who got the real Black Metal sound down.

[Tyr66]

For my money Celtic Frost were the first Black Metal band. Along with Venom and Bathory these three bands would set the ball rolling for the genre.
Yes Darkthrone is Fenriz's band. The absolute pinnacle of Black Metal if you ask me.

This is what I’ve heard, but when you watch the interviews of the second wave of Black Metal guys they say Venom weren’t Black Metal, and many sight Euronymous has the guy who got the real Black Metal sound down.

Real Black Metal ?!? 
Let all these bands be imaginative and propose another name of this music  genre.
Venom is and will remain the band that created Black Metal. It's as simple as the title of their second album. Welcome to Hell is even more raw and primary. The album is released in 81.
Hellhammer then Celtic Frost came second , followed by Bathory who offers something faster than Venom on the first 4 albums then changes and lays the foundation for Vicking Metal from Hammerheart.
Mercyful Fate has also contributed to the emergence of Black Metal although their music is clearly heavy as the first 2 albums of Slayer. If Bathory played so fast, it was Slayer 's influence.
After and only after, Norway knows a wave of new generation called Black Metal again,  very inspired by 3 pioneers pre-cited.
And here I would like to stand up against this false idea, this lie as to the name of this Scandinavian wave. It's simply a patronymic theft. The name Black Metal is nowadays very overused with a whole lot of more or less inspired subgenres.
I understand this desire to put this name so incredibly Evil on a form of extreme music but this form of Black Metal is a derivative of what Venom has generated. Once again, Venom is and will remain first. So Venom plays Black Metal.
All the rest is revionnism.

[AnnoMundi]

Thanks for chiming in TYR, I appreciate your input, I’m just learning about Black Metal.

I’m just going by what I’m watching in documentaries, I agree with you on the above, but I watched on a documentary that says Euronymous invented the black Metal riff, I happen to like Venom, and the funny thing is that Varg who criticizes Venom and makes fun of them, use to wear their shirts back in the day.

Maybe the Mayhem guys just wanted all the credit, I don’t know?

TYR May I ask you your opinion on Mayhem’s Dawn Of The Blackhearts, what do you think of it?

If you’d be so kind to answer my question I’d appreciate it greatly, and thank you for taking the time to do so.

[Tyr66]

Well, to be honest, I don't like Mayhem. All this wave came from Norway essentially didn't attract me from their appearance in the early 90s. I saw a lot of deja vu. I didn't understand this desire to propose something so badly produced. If Hellhammer had had the opportunity to access a studio with more resources in 1984, they would have done so without a doubt. The fact that the boss of Noise Records himself hated the Swiss combo didn't help them in this way.
I started to appreciate Darkthrone and Immortal much later. The last Immortal is phenomenal.
Speaking of Mayhem, I listen again to "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" as I write these words: Nothing to do, the Attila's vocals are not my thing. . Musically it's interesting, I hear a mix of Morbid Tales, the first Bathory and Seven Churches of Possessed.
Once again, the first listen of this album and compared to what was doing in this year (1994) is not shocking. Nothing to do with the shock of first listening to Welcome To Hell or Apocalyptic Raids.
In 1988, Entombed had impressed me a lot more with Left Hand Path for example.
Curiously and although Darkthrone has an even more raw sound, I prefer them clearly. Definitely, Attila's voice is just unbearable.
I must also say that I really like the first 4 albums of Cradle of Filth. I know, Dani has a voice, how to say, more than special.
Ditto for the first albums of Dimmu Borgir 'til Death Cult Armageddon.

[Tyr66]

Elves, I think this video of Fenriz (Darkthrone) teaching the origins of Black Metal  is very instructive :

[Zzzptm]

Yeah, I was around in the 80s and heard Venom first of all the Black Metal bands. They were Black Metal. After that, Celtic Frost and Mercyful Fate and Slayer. Black Metal, all of them.

I didn't get into Black Metal, but I was there to not get into it when it first started.