Gun laws and control

[Sicko FanAtic]

An old friend of mine who slept with a gun under her pillow fatally shot her cousin (who was staying at her apartment with her) in the face when her cousin entered her room at night, maybe to get a blanket or something?

OMG.

http://www.dispatch.com/article/20070816/news/308169752


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[Sabbabbath]

http://www.dispatch.com/article/20070816/news/308169752

So, so terrible.

[BOGBLAST]

First of all let me say I'm sad to see Sabbabbath leave this forum. She was a woman of strong beliefs. I did not always agree with her but she always made thought provoking posts. I will miss her.

Now, here in the US has everyone forgotten this:

The Second Amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791. It reads:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now the Founding Fathers knew nothing about automatic or Semi-automatic weapons with bump stops. If they had I think they would have worded The Second Amendment differently. But that leaves the door open to todays  politicians to ban these types of weapons and make acquiring a gun more difficult. For one no more "gun shows" that skirt the law.

For example, the vetting process should take into account many more stipulations to allow you to own a gun. If you fail any of the following you should be rejected: You fail a psych eval, you have a criminal record, you are an undocumented immigrant or you are on the "No Fly" list.

One positive thing that has happened recently is that several of the major sporting goods stores have stopped selling semi-automatics. Definitely a step in the right direction.

Some of you have unrealistic dreams about eliminating guns altogether. But I think just implementing the above ideas would make a huge difference. Sure crooks will always find a way to get guns but I think that is true anywhere. And if someone threatens you in your own home you have every right to defend yourself.

I personally do not own a gun but my brother and his wife do, my brother has a LTC. One evening my sister-in-law was driving home and a huge pick-up was right on her ass with every headlight on. She makes a frantic call to my brother and he runs out packing. My sister-in-law enters her driveway and this yahoo follows right behind her. So my brother walks up to the truck to find out what the fuck is going on. He gave some lame excuse about her cutting him off, so my brother just told him to screw.

Now this is a responsible gun owner. His gun never left its holster but should it have become necessary he had the option to protect his family.

Then Trump makes the statement that teachers should carry guns which is totally ridiculous. My daughter teaches 3rd graders and said there's no way she would ever carry a gun. She will be a part of the March on Washington DC this Saturday along with many other teachers in her school.

Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it ...

 

[Billy Underdog]

^^^ You've got levelheaded opinions, Bog. As you'd probably guess i don't exactly agree with all of them, but if more was like you, the problem would without a doubt be alot smaller.

The Second Amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791.

This is the thing, though. Any other law that old still being applicable without any changes would simply be laughable, whatever country it would be. It's like those laws that can judge a cow to be hung for kicking a person. I don't think anyone here really disagree with that.
But since this one has to do with our "toys", nooonooo, can't change that one...

[Zzzptm]

Given how many times a teacher's cell phone has been stolen, I do not have high hopes for encouraging teachers to carry weapons into schools or classrooms.

Given how many times I've heard a teacher snap and start screaming at his or her students (usually a few days before they decide to quit), I have vivid fears about teachers with weapons in classrooms.

The idea simply increases a chance that a weapon will be involved in school incidents. Saying that the teachers would be properly trained will not ease my fears. I know teachers that would be very precise and careful and conscientious in their carrying, and I know teachers that will nod their way through the training and forget most of the precautions a few months or weeks afterwards.

[BOGBLAST]

^^^ You've got levelheaded opinions, Bog. As you'd probably guess i don't exactly agree with all of them, but if more was like you, the problem would without a doubt be alot smaller.

The Second Amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791.

This is the thing, though. Any other law that old still being applicable without any changes would simply be laughable, whatever country it would be. It's like those laws that can judge a cow to be hung for kicking a person. I don't think anyone here really disagree with that.
But since this one has to do with our "toys", nooonooo, can't change that one...

Thank you for your comments Billy. I wouldn't expect ANYONE to agree with everything I said, But most of these restrictions have already bounced around Congress a few times with no results. I think some of the States, including Florida have started to take matters into their own hands.

The NRA ( National Rifle Association) is a big supporter of the Republican party who currently have control in the House and Senate. So changing gun laws hurts them in their wallets which means things will be slow to change in this area.

I don't identify with any party, on the fence as it were. But some things are just common sense regardless of party affiliation. Mid-term elections are coming up in November so maybe there will be a shift in power in the House and Senate and we might see some change. Not holding my breath though.

[Typhon]

For example, the vetting process should take into account many more stipulations to allow you to own a gun. If you fail any of the following you should be rejected: You fail a psych eval, you have a criminal record, you are an undocumented immigrant or you are on the "No Fly" list.

Most of what you're wishing for here already exists:

 1. Illegal immigrants are not allowed to have a gun.  That's the law.

 2. If your criminal record contains a felony, you are not allowed to have a gun.  That's the law.

 3. The "no fly" list is a tricky one.  A lot of the people on it have never committed a crime, and you can't punish someone because they might do something bad.  That is also the law.

Interesting post, buddy.

[BOGBLAST]

^^^^^  Do you think that a psych eval would help the problem?

[Typhon]

^^^^^  Do you think that a psych eval would help the problem?

Yes, although I believe implementing that would be extremely difficult.  Civil rights people would probably start complaining that it is unconstitutional to require someone to take such a test without just cause.  Would you require every person in the country who has a gun license to be tested?  Even if they have had the license for years without a problem?  Then, it would only take 1 time for someone who has passed the test to turn around and commit a mass shooting, upon which everyone would claim the test is bogus.  It's a tough problem.

[BOGBLAST]

Can't argue with any of that Typhon.

[Zzzptm]

^^^^^  Do you think that a psych eval would help the problem?

Yes, although I believe implementing that would be extremely difficult.  Civil rights people would probably start complaining that it is unconstitutional to require someone to take such a test without just cause.  Would you require every person in the country who has a gun license to be tested?  Even if they have had the license for years without a problem?  Then, it would only take 1 time for someone who has passed the test to turn around and commit a mass shooting, upon which everyone would claim the test is bogus.  It's a tough problem.

Another potential line of litigation would be if someone contended that the questions used in a gun psych eval were biased against a particular minority group. Not wanting to start a discussion of the right/wrong of that, especially for a test that doesn't even exist... just that a test could be spun as controversial from different sides of the aisle. I'd agree with Typhon that it's probably a non-starter.

More likely in my view will be state laws going forward with changes, much as what we saw with gay marriage and are seeing with marijuana legalization.

[BOGBLAST]

Tru dat

[Zzzptm]

Interesting development... looks like the rule that kept the CDC from analyzing gun violence has been knocked down...

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/dickey-amendment-gun-research-terrified-the-nra-explains-how-congress-finally-got-it-right/

[Typhon]

Our future leader.  Yikes!

[Charger]

Slightly related and sad news:

Legendary Gun manufacturer REMINGTON has filed for Bankruptcy...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/26/us-gunmaker-remington-files-for-bankruptcy

As an owner of the iconic Remington 870 shotgun this makes me sad but it shows that gun manifacturers aren't untouchable by hard times.