Gun laws and control

[Charger]

I have to say i find it hard to believe that the victim is the one who gets penalized, but if that's a fact then it's your laws you gotta do something about, no amount of guns will help either way...

Well that is the case here.

One of the most blatant cases of this was few years ago when a woman was being raped and a two good samarithans came to her aid and a kicked the guy from top of her cracking the sick fucks ribs and were then charged with assault and had to pay damages to the rapist. That is the way things are here. Which is why people really don't go to anyone's aid anymore...because the risks are just too great....it is truly sad.


As far as this whole gun thing goes I've said my peace and I am done with it now...

[Billy Underdog]

I have to say i find it hard to believe that the victim is the one who gets penalized, but if that's a fact then it's your laws you gotta do something about, no amount of guns will help either way...

Well that is the case here.

One of the most blatant cases of this was few years ago when a woman was being raped and a two good samarithans came to her aid and a kicked the guy from top of her cracking the sick fucks ribs and were then charged with assault and had to pay damages to the rapist. That is the way things are here. Which is why people really don't go to anyone's aid anymore...because the risks are just too great....it is truly sad.

Yup, it really is. But i hope you understand that the fault is in how the laws are composed and have nothing to do with the question of guns or no guns.

[Sabbabbath]

I have to say i find it hard to believe that the victim is the one who gets penalized, but if that's a fact then it's your laws you gotta do something about, no amount of guns will help either way...

Well that is the case here.

One of the most blatant cases of this was few years ago when a woman was being raped and a two good samarithans came to her aid and a kicked the guy from top of her cracking the sick fucks ribs and were then charged with assault and had to pay damages to the rapist. That is the way things are here. Which is why people really don't go to anyone's aid anymore...because the risks are just too great....it is truly sad.

That's indeed horrible. I wasn't aware that any "Western" country had no concept of self-defence in law. I agree with Billy that's a change that is urgently needed in your country to protect victims and potential victims of violent crime, much more than any change in gun laws.

EDIT: The Finnish criminal code does recognize self-defence, so maybe the problem is with jurisdiction rather than legislation?
https://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset/1889/en18890039.pdf

[Charger]

That's indeed horrible. I wasn't aware that any "Western" country had no concept of self-defence in law. I agree with Billy that's a change that is urgently needed in your country to protect victims and potential victims of violent crime, much more than any change in gun laws.

EDIT: The Finnish criminal code does recognize self-defence, so maybe the problem is with jurisdiction rather than legislation?
https://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset/1889/en18890039.pdf

The problem is even if you act in self defence you are still liable for criminal prosecution and even financial damages to the assailant which has then become the victim...it is all so fuckin' twisted here!

Yup, it really is. But i hope you understand that the fault is in how the laws are composed and have nothing to do with the question of guns or no guns.

Oh yes has nothing to do with guns, never meant to say that it did.

[Typhon]

The law here is clear.  If I feel my life is in danger, I have the right to shoot and kill.  The intruder is in the wrong from the start and his intent is irrelevant.  Nothing wrong with that.

[Billy Underdog]

The law here is clear.  If I feel my life is in danger, I have the right to shoot and kill.  The intruder is in the wrong from the start and his intent is irrelevant.  Nothing wrong with that.

I still consider you a friend, but i'm glad there's a very slim chance that i'll physically pop by to say hello...

[Charger]

The law here is clear.  If I feel my life is in danger, I have the right to shoot and kill.  The intruder is in the wrong from the start and his intent is irrelevant.  Nothing wrong with that.

I still consider you a friend, but i'm glad there's a very slim chance that i'll physically pop by to say hello...

You do know there are such things nowadays called phones? You can call before hand and avoid being shot!

[Sabbabbath]

The law here is clear.  If I feel my life is in danger, I have the right to shoot and kill.  The intruder is in the wrong from the start and his intent is irrelevant.  Nothing wrong with that.

Yes, there is something seriously wrong with that: it means that people will be unnecessarily killed - unnecessarily especially given that most intruders aren't killers or rapists -, and it means that in practice, the punishment for breaking in can be death. Which falls even back behind the Old Testament with its "eye for an eye; tooth for a tooth". It also ignores the fact that there are people living in poverty on the streets who may sometimes, if they don't want to die by freezing, have no choice than to enter somebody else's home. Which of course brings us back to the issues of social security and social (in)equality.

Anyway, I guess I have said my peace here too.

[Typhon]

For your information, Billy, I have only shot 3 friends in the last 10 years.   

[Billy Underdog]

You do know there are such things nowadays called phones? You can call before hand and avoid being shot!

Yeah, but i still happen to pop by for surprise visits ev'ry now and then. Doesn't always ring the doorbell/knock on the door either. Might be due to the set of friends i've got too, ofcourse...

For your information, Billy, I have only shot 3 friends in the last 10 years.   

That's reassuring...

[Sicko FanAtic]

An old friend of mine who slept with a gun under her pillow fatally shot her cousin (who was staying at her apartment with her) in the face when her cousin entered her room at night, maybe to get a blanket or something?

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[Billy Underdog]

An old friend of mine who slept with a gun under her pillow fatally shot her cousin (who was staying at her apartment with her) in the face when her cousin entered her room at night, maybe to get a blanket or something?

Stories like this and the countless stories of kids finding a gun, playing around with it and accidentally shooting themselves or friends are also reasons for my point of view that guns should get rid of. It's nothing but sad...

[Sabbabbath]

An old friend of mine who slept with a gun under her pillow fatally shot her cousin (who was staying at her apartment with her) in the face when her cousin entered her room at night, maybe to get a blanket or something?

OMG.

[Jack the Stripper]

Everyone makes the joke over here 'everyting in Australia can kill you'  ...You know what probably won't kill you in Australia?

An Assualt rifle

[Typhon]

This continued idea that because other people make mistakes, or are less skilled, or are not very bright, when it comes to doing anything, is something I have had to put up with my entire life.  Examples:

 a) I'm not allowed to drive more than 65mph on the highway, even though I have been doing it for over 40 years without incident, because many others can not do it safely (yes, I have my share of speeding tickets).

 b) Each year, to celebrate Independence Day, I'm forced to travel to another state to buy fireworks because Massachusetts has outlawed them for safety reasons.  Yet, I have been handling them for over 40 years without incident.

With each new restriction, a little more freedom and enjoyment of life is taken away.  Sabbabbath asked me earlier what then would be my solution for saving lives?  Well, in a perfect world, there would be some testing for each of these activities.  Determining who can and cannot participate.  Of course, it would be darn near impossible to develop accurate and fair tests for each activity.  Therefore, I must conclude, there is no solution for saving lives without continuing to infringe on others' freedoms.  I choose the avenue of greater enjoyment with greater risk.