Never Say Die! - Was It Doomed From the Start?

[Charger]

Re: Charger's comment: Then explain please Seventh Star and/or Forbidden. And/or Tyr. And/or Headless Cross. Sorry, but I'mma have to card that comment.

What's there to explain? I don't understand. Seventh Star should be excluded ofcourse as that was never meant to be a Sabbath album...

All other albums are strong riff based doomy heavy metal, just like the first 6 were or Heaven And Hell and The Mob Rules....(minus few tracks ofcourse but that was the case with the earlier stuff too) Hell Forbidden has some of Tony's best and heaviest riffs in Shaking Off The Chains and Kiss Of Death.

[Sicko FanAtic]

NSD! was doomed from the start, in the middle, and at the end. The only truly great track for me is the title track, the rest of side one is almost great, side two is godawful ("Over to You" is decent though). And no, I have nothing against saxophones, I have nothing against experimentation, I have nothing against keyboard flourishes. I am only against those things when they don't work! Breakout is bad to me because it repeats the same annoying riff over and over for example.

As far as what caused the mess, it's all speculation really. Years of drug abuse, Ozzy coming back late, recording in Toronto in the winter, lack of chemistry, all contributing factors mayhaps. Could have been so beautiful, as Tiffany would say

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[Typhon]

Looks like NSD is the only one of the Great 8 that divides us in half.  It appears half of us love it, and half hate it.  Seems to be more than just a matter of taste, but I don't know what. 

[Billy Underdog]

Looks like NSD is the only one of the Great 8 that divides us in half.  It appears half of us love it, and half hate it.  Seems to be more than just a matter of taste, but I don't know what. 

That calls for a poll... It'd be cool if it actually ended up in 50/50.


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