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Title: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on August 20, 2019, 01:43:50 PM
As a Cowboys fan, I'm not at all pleased with how Jerry Jones is messing around with Zeke Elliott's contract. This is a guy that makes a huge, HUGE difference on the field. Just give the man his money and get him playing, already! Pollard is good, but how about having him on the field WITH Elliott? Heck, even if Elliott just blocks like an old-school fullback, it would be awesome for the running game. Give Prescott plenty of options as he gets into a new passing game and the 'Boys can do all right.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on August 20, 2019, 01:53:02 PM
Antonio Brown...

There are nearly 2,900 players on the combined 32 NFL rosters right now. Only one player is refusing to participate because he doesn’t like his helmet. - Andrew Siciliano

Gotta agree with Siciliano, there's no good reason to not update one's helmet. Get some new headgear and get out there and play some ball, man!
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on August 30, 2019, 09:21:51 AM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/30/ezekiel-elliott-jerry-jones-dallas-cowboys-contract-holdout

So maybe the Cowboys come out of their first 6 games with a 5-1 record without Elliott because only one team in those games, the Saints, is considered a real contender. To me, that stinks. A team that wants to make a run at a championship needs to be able to beat those other contenders. Win-loss record doesn't mean a thing once you face a team in the playoffs. *Quality* wins against solid teams is what counts. Sure, 5-1 looks good as a starting record, but if Elliott is the puzzle piece needed to make it 6-0, get that piece in place!


At least the Cowboys have a QB... Cam Newton is in a boot, Andrew Luck resigned his commission, and Jimmy Garoppolo seems to have misplaced his 49ers-saving golden halo...
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on August 30, 2019, 06:36:12 PM
^^^ It does look like they have some cushy games in their first six but I wouldn't be confident of them being 5-1 without Zeke. You giving them the Packers win as well?

I know Elliot's stocks have risen since he signed his contract but he has two years remaining on it and he is now effectively holding the whole organisation to ransom. I'm not entirely in the loop on his contract dispute but is Jerry Jones willing to renogoiate and its just a numbers thing? Or is Jones just flat out refusing to renogoiate and holding him to his current contract?

Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on August 31, 2019, 10:04:16 AM
^^^^^^
I agree with Jack.  I'm not up to date with the details, but looking at it from a business standpoint, a deal is a deal.  If you give EE more money and then he has a so-so season, would he be willing to take a pay cut the following year?  Shut the heck up and play.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on September 01, 2019, 06:49:32 PM
That's the gamble... I'm thinking EE is still young and agile enough, he's not likely to have a so-so year.

It's quite likely that the deal gets done after maybe the first 2 or 3 games. If the 'Boys falter, Jones comes up. If they do just fine and look strong at the RB position even without EE, then Elliott comes down.

Meanwhile, I'm looking forward to the Bears-Packers game on Thursday. I'll take it as an augury for the level of play this year.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on September 01, 2019, 11:10:40 PM
Don't they have a collective bargaining agreement in place? If Zeke is fully fit both mentally & physically surely he's in breach of his contract by sitting out?  Same goes with Antonio Brown and the helmet fiasco. Some of these highly paid NFL stars act like absolute prima donna's.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on September 06, 2019, 03:48:06 AM
Well that was a stinker to kick off the season, the Packers 10 beat the Bears 3 in an uneventful Snoozefest while also pouring cold water on all that Trubisky hype.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on September 10, 2019, 02:50:31 PM
Oh man, that Packers/Bears game was pitiful. Worst moment: Chicago starting to get an offense together and then blowing up their momentum with penalties, getting that 1st-and-40 at one point.

:facepalm1:

Sunday's NFC East action was better football by far. Eagles came back from behind very convincingly to beat Washington and the Cowboys showed that their new Offensive Coordinator knows how to get Dak to distribute the ball to multiple receivers, spread out over short, medium, and long ranges. Zeke being on the field gave the offense one more weapon and that line looks good. Hope their health holds out, they can be contenders.

Next game I saw was the Steelers doing a doormat impression, because the Patriots walked all over them. Punting on 4th and 1 and going for a FG inches from the goal line is no way to beat the Patriots! :wall:
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on September 11, 2019, 03:15:06 PM
Antonio Brown of the New England Patriots has been accused of raping a woman who worked as his trainer, citing a federal lawsuit filed earlier yesterday in Florida.

This has been all over the news in my area today.  I figured this guy would not make it through the season without some kind of controversy, but I did not think it would be this soon.  :))
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on September 13, 2019, 09:58:09 AM
Antonio Brown of the New England Patriots has been accused of raping a woman who worked as his trainer, citing a federal lawsuit filed earlier yesterday in Florida.

This has been all over the news in my area today.  I figured this guy would not make it through the season without some kind of controversy, but I did not think it would be this soon.  :))

Less than 24 hours, I think... guy's full of surprises.

Passed on the Bucs-Panthers last night, read about Carolina going down hard this morning. Apparently, Carolina's front line is shaky and it's pretty easy to get to Cam Newton right now.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on September 17, 2019, 09:03:20 AM
Week two... I've started a mutual fund, ticker symbol ZEBRA, that focuses on firms that make penalty flags for NFL games.

It jumped up by 7 during the Vikings-Packers game, and again by another 7 during the Saints-Rams game.  :-\

Seeing Big Ben and Brees go out with injuries was definitely a letdown, both for those players individually and for their teams that were hoping that this would be The Year. I hope they recover soon... and that their teams' offensive coordinators figure out what schemes work best with the backup QBs.

I watched the Saints-Rams and that game definitely went south for New Orleans after Brees went out and their defensive TD got called back. Saints did as well as they could, with the refs all but playing for the Rams. Again.

Also caught Falcons-Eagles. That one started slow and then eventually the offenses got warmed up and started getting some scores on the board. Ending was good on that one, plenty of excitement.

Of course, I watched Dallas-Washington. Wonderful fun, with Washington giving a good game. That new OC for Dallas looks to be the golden boy of the moment, with his plays really gelling for Dak Prescott, who is proving that he *can* throw some long bombs with accuracy and efficacy. Last season, Dallas' offense was cramped into run, short passes, and mid-range passes. That let defenses play close and stuff things up. Now that the deep zones are options, defenses have to spread more in order to not get gashed. If Dallas' front line can stay strong, Dak will have a great year. Maybe even The Year.

And the Browns won last night!
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on September 27, 2019, 03:19:01 PM
Missed my posting Monday due to power outage here...

... but Dallas' game against the Dolphins wasn't the walkover everyone expected. Dak Prescott got his head back together and delivered a solid second half performance, along with the rest of the team.

Giants may have something with that young feller, there... and the Saints surprised everyone with Bridgewater not just holding on, but getting things going against the Seahawks. Well done, Nawlins!

Saw a snippet of the GB-Philly game last night - don't write off Philly yet for the year, they got a solid unit, just have to find their way through the injuries.

Baker Mayfield's enshrinement at Canton looks like it will get postponed, possibly until some time after he's retired from football, and provided he delivers on his promise to lead the Browns to a playoff game.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on September 30, 2019, 06:11:56 PM
Week 4 had a disappointment for the Cowboys, lost by 2 points to the Saints in a defensive slugfest.

Defense won things for Chicago, they may very well have their act together enough to be a contender this year. Browns also look like they've righted their ship and are ready to go forth and conquer.

Vontaze Burfict finally got suspended for the season. Good. He's been a dirty player for years, does not belong on the field.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on October 05, 2019, 05:19:17 AM
Where's the KC report?

Kansas City...Mahomes continues to function at a stratospheric level. Their new defense is looking like their old defense, except they have promise. The O-line needs to, as always, try and give the QB more than one fourth of a second in the pocket.

Looking forward to the Colts tomorrow.

The Browns should seriously consider signing Antonio Brown. They'd have an excellent foundation to earn the title "Violence Against Women R Us".
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on October 05, 2019, 08:32:42 AM
The Browns should seriously consider signing Antonio Brown. They'd have an excellent foundation to earn the title "Violence Against Women R Us".
:))
Perhaps the team can change there name -->  the Cleveland Abusers.
The mascot could be a woman limping around who is all bruised up.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on October 15, 2019, 01:46:14 PM
Back from China, with grim news for Cowboys fans... apparently, the Cowboys without Amari Cooper can't defeat the Jets with Sam Darnold.

KC takes a hit in the L column for the second week straight as Pittsburgh finds the winning combination again.

Patriots win again. Seriously, it's not like their opponents roll over and die or give up. The Patriots simply have a consistently great team, and that's owed in great part to the combination of Brady and Belichik. Gotta hand it to them, even if done grudgingly. :)
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on October 15, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
Patriots win again. Seriously, it's not like their opponents roll over and die or give up. The Patriots simply have a consistently great team, and that's owed in great part to the combination of Brady and Belichik. Gotta hand it to them, even if done grudgingly. :)
Patriots have only played 1 team, thus far, that has a chance of finishing the season with a winning record (Buff), and in that game their offence could not score a TD.  Really impressive.   ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on October 15, 2019, 08:13:22 PM
Patriots win again. Seriously, it's not like their opponents roll over and die or give up. The Patriots simply have a consistently great team, and that's owed in great part to the combination of Brady and Belichik. Gotta hand it to them, even if done grudgingly. :)
Patriots have only played 1 team, thus far, that has a chance of finishing the season with a winning record (Buff), and in that game their offence could not score a TD.  Really impressive.   ::)

True, but they still beat them. Patriots also have an excellent kicker!
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on November 04, 2019, 07:35:20 AM
Patriots win again. Seriously, it's not like their opponents roll over and die or give up. The Patriots simply have a consistently great team, and that's owed in great part to the combination of Brady and Belichik. Gotta hand it to them, even if done grudgingly. :)
Patriots have only played 1 team, thus far, that has a chance of finishing the season with a winning record (Buff), and in that game their offence could not score a TD.  Really impressive.   ::)
True, but they still beat them. Patriots also have an excellent kicker!
Patriots finally played a true contender.  :death:  Oh, well.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on November 04, 2019, 11:34:42 AM
Yeah, the Ravens owned that game.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on November 04, 2019, 12:59:10 PM
Everyone that picked the 49ers to be the last undefeated team this year, please stand up...

... and then walk over to the polygraph machine, as I'd like to ask you that question again... :smug:

Meanwhile, Washington, Miami, NY-B, and Atlanta can all console themselves that, with only 1 win each, they're still better off than Cincinnati.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on November 04, 2019, 01:52:06 PM
The Cowboys loss to the Jets a few weeks back looks even worse now.

Let's hope they don't let their guard down against that other terrible NY team today.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on November 04, 2019, 11:23:02 PM
Unconvincing but comfortable win in the end to the Cowboys thanks to a fumbling rookie Giants QB and some great D in the red zone from the Cowboys.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on November 08, 2019, 06:12:55 AM
Yes, that game was too close for too long. I saw the highlights, and I'm not convinced Jason Garrett can coach them past enough of the teams left on the schedule to be able to get home field advantage. They can either win the NFC East or get a wild card slot, but they're not selling it the way the 49ers and Saints are.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on November 08, 2019, 06:32:42 AM
I agree. I think they'll win the NFC East(I'm not overly confident on that though) but they won't challenge the Saints or 49ers for home field advantage.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on November 10, 2019, 03:41:36 PM
Chiefs vs. Titans:

I've seen plenty of bad snaps on field goal attempts. I have never seen the placeholder stand up and throw the ball at the opposing team. What on earth was Colquitt thinking?
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on November 10, 2019, 05:12:30 PM
Chiefs vs. Titans:

I've seen plenty of bad snaps on field goal attempts. I have never seen the placeholder stand up and throw the ball at the opposing team. What on earth was Colquitt thinking?
He wasn't expecting the snap.  Even if he did not throw it, he would have been tackled right there anyhow.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on November 10, 2019, 05:54:38 PM
He wasn't expecting the snap.  Even if he did not throw it, he would have been tackled right there anyhow.

Certainly the snap came early, but usually the guy will drop on the ball to protect it. In this case, not only did it turn over to the Titans on downs, it drew an intentional grounding penalty which gave the Titans an extra ten yards.

Plus throwing the ball at the opposing team increased the chances of an interception by at least 3.141 percent.

Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on November 11, 2019, 08:05:07 AM
Plus throwing the ball at the opposing team increased the chances of an interception by at least 3.141 percent.
No, it would increase it by:  S X(x)eax dx    :smug:
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on November 11, 2019, 09:37:01 AM
Plus throwing the ball at the opposing team increased the chances of an interception by at least 3.141 percent.
No, it would increase it by:  S X(x)eax dx    :smug:

I can confirm that Typhon's formula corresponds with back-testing of the data. Definitely not a good move, THROWING AT THE OTHER TEAM! :doh:
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on November 11, 2019, 09:47:00 AM
Cowboys proved once again that they can't beat a team with a winning record. I left after it was 14-0 and the Cowboys failed to get past the Viking secondary, leaving that second score unanswered. Game over if you spot the opposition two touchdowns and go nowhere like that.

And while the Cowboys came back, they didn't hold on in the clutch, like what a championship team is supposed to do.

In other action, I have no explanation for how Atlanta ripped apart the Saints other than maybe that coaching reshuffle for the Falcons may have been what they needed.

Ravens are still breaking football, I see... even though it was against the 0-9 Bengals, Jackson still came up with a play for the ages. This is a very strong team, and I'm interested in following more of their games, as I think they can contend with the Patriots over the AFC championship.

The Packers still have Aaron Rogers working for them, I see... he's best when served chilled. :)

Waterfowl vs. Numbers tonight, picking the San Jose Squared Sevens to win this one.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on November 11, 2019, 10:50:11 AM
...maybe that coaching reshuffle for the Falcons may have been what they needed.
By golly I think your are beginning to understand this game a little bit.  ;D 

Just between you and me:  I had Atlanta plus 13 1/2.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on November 11, 2019, 12:51:58 PM
Then there was this takeaway from week 10 action... as in, literally, a takeaway...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukWm2iZvzsw

The Giants should call a cop about that mugging!
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on November 24, 2019, 10:57:27 AM
It will be raining throughout the Dallas/New England game today.  Not too cold, 50oF.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on November 24, 2019, 02:16:09 PM
^^Will be listening on the Dallas Cowboys radio network while I work. The weather might hopefully play into the Cowboys hands with the Patriots stuggling to run the ball of late.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on November 24, 2019, 08:01:56 PM
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That fake tripping call ripped away any chance the Cowboys had of winning  >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on November 25, 2019, 09:07:13 AM
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That fake tripping call ripped away any chance the Cowboys had of winning  >:(

Yeah, close but no cigars for the Boys.

Thing is though, they're still a team that can't beat an opponent with a winning record. Is the QB good, but not great? Is the coach adequate, but not audacious enough? Is it both? Yes, the Pats' defense is good, but their offense has some big issues. Settling for field goals isn't how you win games, it's how coaches defend bad choices - "Hey, at least we didn't get shut out!"
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on November 25, 2019, 09:15:26 AM
That fake tripping call ripped away any chance the Cowboys had of winning  >:(
Agreed, you never really know about this league anymore.  Check this out.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on November 25, 2019, 11:29:07 AM
^Bingo. I really do think that sports betting is having an impact on the officiating in games.

And yes, overall, the calls balance out. But when we look at more than just yards gained/yards lost, we can see some really odd outliers in terms of *points* gained/lost over bad calls.

Just ask any Dallas fan to define a "catch" and you'll get a history lesson that goes back years... with notes as to how that same logic that pretty much wrecked Dallas' passing game never seemed to have to apply to any other team. Of course, observer bias... but there are numerous inconsistencies in officiating. Just ask the Saints fans about what constitutes defensive pass interference...
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on November 25, 2019, 09:16:09 PM
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That fake tripping call ripped away any chance the Cowboys had of winning  >:(

Yeah, close but no cigars for the Boys.

Thing is though, they're still a team that can't beat an opponent with a winning record. Is the QB good, but not great? Is the coach adequate, but not audacious enough? Is it both? Yes, the Pats' defense is good, but their offense has some big issues. Settling for field goals isn't how you win games, it's how coaches defend bad choices - "Hey, at least we didn't get shut out!"
It's that classic adage "Talent will only take you so far" with the current Cowboys. They have one of the most talented rosters in the NFL but they fall well short in the coaching department, and is why they can't beat other talented teams. If they can't out talent you they don't win. Simple!

It's so unbelievably glaring it's one of the great mysteries of the world how Garrett still continues to survive as head coach.

Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on November 25, 2019, 10:18:49 PM
I think it was the 13-3 season when Dak and Zeke were rookies that renewed Garrett's lease at the helm.

Looking at his record for 10 years... 5-3 in 2010, then 8-8 and 8-8. And another 8-8. 2014 had a great run, 12-4 and then out in the second playoff round. How much of that was Romo going cold? Or was that Romo getting blamed for coaching shortcomings?

2015 went 4-12, and that's when it looked like Garrett was done. One more year... and that one year was 13-3. Heartbreaking loss in the playoffs, that year.

2017 was 9-7, no playoffs, then 2018 had another playoff run after a 10-6 season... and that run ended with an out in the second round. Both of those years, Dallas' wins came mostly from weak teams, with Dallas struggling to hold its own against teams with a winning record.

11 weeks in, Dallas stands at 6-5. Bills are 8-3, but with a weak schedule. I think Dallas beats them on Thursday, beats the Bears, loses to the Rams, then beats out Washington and Philly. 10-6 and then out when they meet the 49ers, Packers, or Saints.

Looking at the Eagles, though, that team could still win 4 of its next 5 - Dolphins, Giants twice, and Washington. If Dallas goes 9-7, they're out. I see Seattle and Minnesota as stronger wildcard contenders.

And if Dallas goes 8-8, Jerry Jones will be an idiot to keep Garrett around.

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Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on November 29, 2019, 02:08:04 PM
He needs to go Z. It's obvious he can't take this team to the next level. Yesterday was another predictable loss. If Jerry has decided he's not gonna be the man next season then he should sack him now, what would be the point on continuing on with him? Try and at least salvage something from the season. I wouldn't be surprised if unrest has crept into the locker room.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on November 29, 2019, 03:18:36 PM
Jones said today that he won't fire Garrett in the middle of the season. I'm wondering if the translation is "no other coach that's good enough can stand my meddling, and he's the best of the bunch that can."

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Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on November 29, 2019, 03:22:48 PM
^^Thats probably it in a nutshell. He needs time to find his next "yes" man.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on December 08, 2019, 01:39:26 PM
Choice of viewing at 1PM here in NYC:

Jets v Dolphins

OR

Saints v 49ers

:smug:

Yeah, I'm with the Saints-49ers competition. Has not disappointed. Blink, and you'll miss a great play. Explosive game, with 8 TDs in the first half.

As I watch, I think "no way would Sean Payton want to leave New Orleans... there ain't nothing broken there." Something Jerry Jones has to seriously consider as the Cowboys start assessing head coach candidates. Things above the head coach level need to be fixed in Dallas if they want to be able to attract and retain a coach that can take talent like the Cowboys have to its fullest potential. Until then, they're never going to be like they were in the 90s.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on December 08, 2019, 05:05:16 PM
^^^^^^
Being you are in N.Y., they will have to show the NYJ game.  I've got

S.F. vs N.O.   or   Balt vs Buff
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on December 08, 2019, 05:12:38 PM
^^^^^^
Being you are in N.Y., they will have to show the NYJ game.  I've got

S.F. vs N.O.   or   Balt vs Buff


You are spoiled for choice! I'm watching KC v Patriots right now. Pats marched it down the field for a TD, but haven't been able to make necessary adjustments to contain KC. The weakness in the Pats' offense is why the score isn't closer. SF/NO went down to a last-second FG, both of those teams look ferocious.

I'm expecting the Giants to beat the Eagles, because that's how the NFC Least championship is going...  *Somebody* has to win that thing. And I really thought at the start of the year that the Eagles and Cowboys would be duking it out for the top spot with much better W-L records, not verging on a team with a losing record overall or an 8-8 team winning it.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on December 08, 2019, 06:05:23 PM
The officiating in the NE-KC game is atrocious. Patriots got robbed, man, they got robbed!
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on December 09, 2019, 07:53:25 AM
The officiating in the NE-KC game is atrocious. Patriots got robbed, man, they got robbed!
But why didn't they throw the red flag for a review?   :o
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on December 09, 2019, 04:48:39 PM
Belichik had gotten one review turned down, so he only had one more, which he had used. After that, he was all out. You only get a third review if your first two are both accepted. This is why the sport needs a sky judge, to help sort out the complicated calls or to pick up on details not obvious from the field.

But, yeah, twice the refs made bad calls that took points off the board, essentially. As close as the game was and with the playoff implications on the line, that's unacceptable.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on December 09, 2019, 11:00:15 PM
As a Cowboys fan that 2nd half of the Eagles v Giants game was excruciating to watch.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on December 09, 2019, 11:05:18 PM
The Cowboys are in such a wretched state, it's like a clown show.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on December 09, 2019, 11:40:22 PM
^^Yep, even if they do win the east they'll only be making up the numbers anyway.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on December 10, 2019, 07:40:22 AM
Belichik had gotten one review turned down, so he only had one more, which he had used. After that, he was all out. You only get a third review if your first two are both accepted. This is why the sport needs a sky judge, to help sort out the complicated calls or to pick up on details not obvious from the field.

But, yeah, twice the refs made bad calls that took points off the board, essentially. As close as the game was and with the playoff implications on the line, that's unacceptable.
Patriots still had 1st & goal at the 3, but could not punch it in.  That part is on them.  :smug:
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on December 10, 2019, 07:51:42 AM
Belichik had gotten one review turned down, so he only had one more, which he had used. After that, he was all out. You only get a third review if your first two are both accepted. This is why the sport needs a sky judge, to help sort out the complicated calls or to pick up on details not obvious from the field.

But, yeah, twice the refs made bad calls that took points off the board, essentially. As close as the game was and with the playoff implications on the line, that's unacceptable.
Patriots still had 1st & goal at the 3, but could not punch it in.  That part is on them.  :smug:

Quite true, and that's why Brady doesn't blame referees. But officiating this year in general was supposed to be improved on from last year, and my impression is that it is not. The coaches wanted a sky judge last year and got reviewable pass interference calls as a concession. I think they might just get a sky judge this year.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on December 13, 2019, 03:55:47 PM
OK, playoff time is almost here...

AFC:
Patriots at the top of AFC East, but the Bills are close enough to catch them, if they slip. But for the Patriots to slip, they'd pretty much have to lose out, and with both the Bengals and Dolphins in 2 of their last 3 games, I don't think so. Patriots take the division, Bills are the top wild card.

AFC West is the Chiefs. They get to play whichever of the AFC South teams fails to win that division, be it the Texans or the Titans.

AFC North is the Ravens. These guys could get home field advantage all the way through, which would be a major deal. Given a choice between facing the Patriots in Foxboro or somewhere else, everybody takes "somewhere else".

AFC South is right now a toss-up between the Texans and the Titans. One will play the Chiefs, the other plays the Bills and I think both the Chiefs and Bills survive the wildcard round. That could potentially mean a Chiefs-Patriots rematch in the divisional round, again at Foxboro. I'd expect the Ravens to beat the Bills, and then beat whoever wins the KC-NE matchup.

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NFC:

NFC East...
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*Somebody* has to win the division. It'll likely be the Cowboys, and then Jerry Jones will pick a new coach after the Cowboys lose in the wildcard round. If the Eagles win out, then Jerry Jones will fire Garrett a week earlier.

NFC West: 49ers and Seahawks, one of these wins (thinking the 49ers), the other gets to stomp on the NFC East winner in the wildcard round.

NFC North: Going with the Packers here because Aaron Rogers is still Aaron Rogers. The Vikings will be the second wildcard team and may wind up playing the Packers in the wildcard round, who knows?

NFC South: The Saints are strong, and they come out with confidence into the playoffs. I see them facing the Packers at home, with Seahawks going to the 49ers and then we get a rematch of the Saints-49ers game for the NFC Championship, but this time in San Jose.

And if the Super Bowl is Ravens vs 49ers, I'll be all right with that!
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on December 13, 2019, 08:39:00 PM
I think you've summised that perfectly Z.  Ravens win the conference and play either the 49ers or Saints in the Super Bowl.

Still far from confident Dallas will win the NFC east even though The Eagles, Redskins and Giants have done their level best to hand it to them on a silver platter. I think Garrett might've even lost the locker room and there seems to be a hint of resignation amongst the players since that loss to the Pats.

Jones should've just sacked him weeks ago. Everyone knows he ain't gonna be there next season so what's the point in continuing on with him?
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on December 14, 2019, 06:49:48 AM
It could be that Jones is just a good friend of Garrett and, since the season is lost anyway, wants to let Garrett to have a chance to start looking on his own. We all know Jerry is well and capable of firing coaches in mid-season, that's how Garrett got his job.

But with three weeks left in the season, this is one long goodbye.

I'll give 1000:1 odds that Garrett is just sandbagging to get into the playoffs with the lowest possible number of wins so that they can win the Super Bowl *and* get a pretty decent first round pick. I could give a million or billion to one odds on that and still be ahead 1 dollar, come January. :smug:

That being said, I do see a lively set of matchups for the playoffs in the divisional and championship rounds. Any of the wildcards look to be fun games to watch, save the one where I expect a foregone conclusion, the one vs the NFC East winner.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on December 23, 2019, 04:44:26 AM
The Cowboys, showing the world the practical implementation of the old adage "shit in one hand, wish in the other, and see which one fills up first".

Oh yeah, Chiefs won!
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on December 24, 2019, 01:28:38 PM
The Cowboys, showing the world the practical implementation of the old adage "shit in one hand, wish in the other, and see which one fills up first".

Oh yeah, Chiefs won!

I recorded it to fast forward through it and quit watching even that when the Eagles put 17 on the boards. Hope Jason Garrett has a fresh copy of the classifieds...
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on January 07, 2020, 01:41:45 PM
It took Jerry Jones a full week after the Cowboys season was done to fire Jason Garrett. Apparently Garrett had been pleading his case to Jones all week long while they were interviewing candidates in the background. Jerry finally releases a statement in the last qtr of the Eagles v Seahawks playoff game confirming that they were parting ways with Garrett. What a strange way of doing things. At least hie”s finally gone now though.

Going to be really interesting who Jones appoints as the new head coach. Personally I’d like Josh McDaniels but don’t think thats gonna happen. 

Still on the Ravens from here....
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Typhon on January 07, 2020, 05:07:05 PM
Jack hid himself away until after this past weekends' games so he wouldn't have to give his predictions.  He was afraid of me beating him as I did last year.   :))

The Community Final Standings (2018)

  Player                W   L

  Typhon               8   3
  Jack                   6   5
  discman69          5   5
  Zzzptm               5   6
  Vyn                    2   4
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on January 08, 2020, 02:34:30 AM
Given the upsets I don’t think any of us would’ve done too well.

Was an enthralling wildcard round though.

So we are down to 8... Let’s put our money where our mouths are shall we?

Divisional Round

49ers over Vikings

Ravens over Titans

Chiefs over Texans

Packers over Seahawks

Looks pretty straightforward this weekend but if there is to be an upset I think it will be Seattle beating Green Bay. 

Also, unbeknownst to me when I’d awoken this morning and posted the Cowboys had already appointed Mike McCarthy as its new head coach.

I think he’s a decent appointment without being too cock-a-hoop about it, but he was the best available of the experienced Super Bowl winning coaches.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on January 10, 2020, 10:19:00 AM
I agree with all those picks of Jack's.

And, yes, Garrett got fired during the game he was supposed to be coaching the Cowboys in. Kinda knife-twisty, but that's life in the big city. And then McCarthy gets hired the next day, pretty much, so we've got the new chapter started off.

Only coaching opening left is with the Browns. Anyone here interested in that job?

 :nono:
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on January 11, 2020, 09:44:53 PM
Wow! A big upset brewing in the Ravens V Titans game. Titans have dominated the Ravens from the get-go and hold a 28-6 lead at 3qtr time.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on January 11, 2020, 10:30:34 PM
...And just like that the no 1 seed is out and the Titans are off the AFC championship game.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on January 12, 2020, 06:09:17 AM
By the end of today we'll know who all is playing in the championship games. Wasn't too surprised to see the Titans win, even though the Ravens have been a powerhouse. But lately the Titans have been a football machine.

The 49ers? I didn't expect that one.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on January 12, 2020, 09:26:43 AM
49ers have been playing some tight ball, and they proved they could run that thing yesterday. Ravens going out was a shock, and the Titans are totes legit as contenders, no fluke here.

For the record (no, not a reference to Vyn's avatar, just in general), I think the 49ers would also have beaten the Saints, had that team advanced. The Squared Sevens did it before a few weeks ago, and they could have done it again. They're the better team this year.

Looking at today, the Chiefs and Packers are tough, and made tougher at home. I like the Texans and the Seahawks, they've had strong seasons and overcame obstacles, but I think this is where their train comes to the end of the line this year.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on January 12, 2020, 06:41:26 PM
Houston tears it up in the first four minutes of the game, putting 24 unanswered points on the board. Kansas City couldn't seem to hold on to the ball, and were being their own worst enemy. Come the second quarter, the Chiefs decided they were actually in a playoff game and proceeded to score 51 points.

Looks like the Titans will be facing the Chiefs next week.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on January 13, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
I'm going with Chiefs and 49ers winning next week and advancing to the Super Bowl. Should be LOTS of fun! :drama:
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on January 14, 2020, 12:03:36 AM
I'm going with Chiefs and 49ers winning next week and advancing to the Super Bowl. Should be LOTS of fun! :drama:
Yeah I’m going the same. Should make for a great Super Bowl. A team with a great defensive unit and methodical offense  against an explosive unpredictable offense.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on January 14, 2020, 05:16:10 AM
Gentlemen, I concur. If the Chiefs advance to the Super Bowl, the folks in Kansas City are going to lose their shit...and I think not only will they advance, they will win it.

 :guitar:
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on January 14, 2020, 12:18:47 PM
The sidelines have changed quite a lot since SB IV, when Len Dawson could do this in between sets...

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Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on January 14, 2020, 05:22:53 PM
Hahahahaha, that's awesome!

You're right, the sidelines, and social mores, have changed considerably :)
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on January 15, 2020, 04:33:03 PM
Hahahahaha, that's awesome!

You're right, the sidelines, and social mores, have changed considerably :)

Wouldn't even get Gatorade showers until the mid-80s.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on January 19, 2020, 06:22:13 PM
Chiefs!
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on January 20, 2020, 06:40:36 AM
The Packers were awful today bordering on embarrassing.

Glad the 9ers and Chiefs won though. We’ve got the best possible match up in the Super Bowl. Particularly happy for Chiefs fans as it’s been a 50 year wait to get back to the Super Bowl.

It’s gonna be a cracker as we say down here.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Zzzptm on January 20, 2020, 09:52:59 AM
The Flaming Thumbtacks put up a good fight at the start, but once the Chiefs stopped getting offsides penalties, the tables were turned and we saw a convincing demonstration of the power of the fully-operational battle station that is the Kansas City Chiefs team. Finally, Andy Reid gets to coach in a Super Bowl with the Chiefs! And he gets to coach some phenomenal talent in Kelce, Watkins, and Hill on the receiving end to say nothing of their amazing young rusher Patrick Mahomes, who shares the same host body as star QB Patrick Mahomes. Word on the street is that NASA has a gentleman's agreement with KC to not interrogate Mahomes about his otherworldly origins until after the Super Bowl, so that the young athlete can focus properly on plans for the coming contest.

The Santa Clara Squared Sevens built up a lead and then never looked back. Tremendous running game from the other red team in the playoffs and that running game may have had something to do with how the SF offensive line showed up to play yesterday. In a related note, Bay Area Police have issued a missing persons alert for the entire Green Bay offensive line, which did not show up yesterday, as evidenced by Aaron Rogers' hapless situation multiple times. That one snap that bounced off the center's athletic supporter pretty much said it all for the Packers offense as it was tripping over itself to get the job done. Richard Sherman must have been hitting the books hard before the game, and I bet he must have read at least one article about how Rogers likes to throw long bombs when the Packers get behind. His interception that ended Green Bay's last-gasp offensive set of downs sealed the deal and punched the Numbers' ticket to the big game in February.

Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on February 02, 2020, 05:53:35 AM
Eleven hours and seven minutes to the big bowl. Should be a fight, both teams have the tools to get the job done. Go Chiefs!
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on February 02, 2020, 02:31:48 PM
My heart is with the Chiefs but my head is slightly leaning towards the 9ers. Gonna be an enthralling game.
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Vyn on February 02, 2020, 09:16:30 PM
Yes sir, Chiefs take it! Now that is a good feeling!
Title: Re: NFL 2019 Season Discussions
Post by: Jack the Stripper on February 03, 2020, 12:20:20 AM
Great result and well deserved. Happy for the Chiefs and their fans and especially Andy Reid.