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Title: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Axefiend on April 04, 2018, 08:51:40 AM
Basically, a thread about any albums you adore that were totally lost on the public at large, due to current trends of the time etc.

IMO, This is a total monster of an album and I think it would have been massive, had it came out 5 years earlier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw2YuJPw5EM
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Thelemech on April 04, 2018, 09:12:23 AM
Coverdale & Page did have some success here in Canada when it was released. I remember seeing the videos on Much Music (Canadian MTV) quite a few times.
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Zzzptm on April 04, 2018, 04:09:42 PM
Coverdale & Page did have some success here in Canada when it was released. I remember seeing the videos on Much Music (Canadian MTV) quite a few times.

Some success... but it wasn't a monster release. I agree, it would have been much bigger if released a few years earlier.

For ahead of its time... WAY ahead of its time... I nominate the 13th Floor Elevators. Those guys were "college alternative" 20 years before REM or bands like that were all over the radio.
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Vyn on April 04, 2018, 08:20:32 PM
For ahead of its time... WAY ahead of its time... I nominate the 13th Floor Elevators. Those guys were "college alternative" 20 years before REM or bands like that were all over the radio.

I don't know what the market is now, but 30 years ago their original LPs went for big buckaroos.

This is an interesting topic.

I can't think of anything at the moment. Long-ass day. Had to let one of our VPs go because they decided being a deceitful piece of shit was a smart move. Idiot. I think I've moved to the "anger" stage of grieving. Fucking idiot.
 
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Jack the Stripper on April 05, 2018, 02:51:41 AM
I think if Coverdale/Page had've come out 5 years later or even better in the early 2000's it would've been massive. 1988 was the height of bubblegum metal and thrash was becoming a big movement. Mostly everything in between was faltering or very underground unless you were an established classic metal band ala Maiden or Priest.

I'm nominating the obvious one.

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPcnqOI47A0zMyUWVO8bMevnpaNfDIqcNaiW7wTuD-1jFxLcIQHAdjm8V-YQ)
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Tyr66 on April 05, 2018, 05:15:50 AM
UFO - Walk on Water (1995)
(https://www.spirit-of-metal.com/les%20goupes/U/UFO/Walk%20on%20Water/Walk%20on%20Water.jpg)
If this album had been released ten years earlier all over the world and not only in Japan at first, the band would have reached the highest peaks.
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Tyr66 on April 05, 2018, 05:21:06 AM
Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow - Stranger in Us All  (1995)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51DIHH5WfbL._SX355_.jpg)
A time capsule in the middle of the grunge and fusion waves. May be 5 years too early.
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Zzzptm on April 05, 2018, 09:47:33 AM
I think if Coverdale/Page had've come out 5 years later or even better in the early 2000's it would've been massive. 1988 was the height of bubblegum metal and thrash was becoming a big movement. Mostly everything in between was faltering or very underground unless you were an established classic metal band ala Maiden or Priest.

I'm nominating the obvious one.

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPcnqOI47A0zMyUWVO8bMevnpaNfDIqcNaiW7wTuD-1jFxLcIQHAdjm8V-YQ)


Indeed. 1982 called and wants its album back. :smug:

Meanwhile, the MC5 discovered 1974 back in 1969...

(https://img.discogs.com/7lU3SGr_ipD7EC8Cs7WN1YZdEcw=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-877148-1465068519-1978.jpeg.jpg)
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Axefiend on April 05, 2018, 11:38:29 AM
^^^ Awesome examples, all of them!

This one could have easily had come out in 1978 and not be out of place:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTuIQrd9CQ0

A little ahead of it's time for '73.
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Zzzptm on April 05, 2018, 02:08:45 PM
That was 1973? That's late 70s power pop! It's got some connections to T. Rex, but it looks forward to the future, for sure.

And speaking of power pop, I think these guys know they're 40 years late to the party, given the title of the song. Great tune, sounds perfect for that 78-80 time frame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UY31K-WhFQ
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Axefiend on April 05, 2018, 02:13:38 PM
^^ Cool band from Norway! I wonder what the 70's was like there?
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Billy Underdog on April 05, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
^^ Cool band from Norway! I wonder what the 70's was like there?

Musically, you can get some on the https://www.komunumo.net/forumo/all-them-other-guys/check-this-out/
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Zzzptm on April 07, 2018, 11:47:36 AM
Iggy Pop decided to invent punk rock one day, back in the late 60s...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDNzQ3CXspU
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Axefiend on April 07, 2018, 02:02:42 PM
^^^ Cheers Billy!

Nice call Z, another one 5 years ahead of it's time!

Here's a band that was definitely late to the "PAR-TAY" as it were:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ImmmFPLKwk

I last saw them when they opened up for Black Sabbath on the Dehumanizer tour.
These guys are actually just one example of many Southern Ontario (Canada) bands that were geared to partake in the dying L.A. scene of the late 80's,
Then Grunge happened, and that was all she wrote for the most part.
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Axefiend on April 07, 2018, 02:07:20 PM
Another example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bagcP36fP8

This song comes from their EP that came out in 1993, so they were REALLY late for the show.

The singer actually went on to become a successful actor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_J._Mifsud (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_J._Mifsud)
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Zzzptm on April 09, 2018, 06:31:58 PM
Lol, yeah... The LA Guns / Motley Crue stuff wannabe stuff was definitely past its sell-by date on the radio by then.

Now, Ozone Mama is well aware that this sound peaked 40 years ago, but they're keen to start the party over again. :smug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcq32uV9Ff4

I love this track, great album.
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Axefiend on April 10, 2018, 07:41:58 AM
^^^ Awesome band! I love the singer's voice, it's little bit of Chris Cornell in there, but with a little more weight. Gonna check out there tunes on Bandcamp.

A few seconds in, it reminded me of these guys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFks47RzP_o

Not necessarily late for the party, but deliberately showing up a week late, hoping there's some beer left, and maybe a few stragglers hanging around.
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Billy Underdog on April 10, 2018, 08:35:22 AM
I love the singer's voice, it's little bit of Chris Cornell in there

No doubt there's some influence there. It also makes me think of Wolfmother with their Zeppelin meets Hendrix sound. 70's Rock revival have really been "in" for many years now.
Even the Grunge-guys, esp. Soundgarden also got alot of the 70's label put on them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKDvJTxZDbA

I disagree with Mike that Wolfmother sucks (though they're not great either), but knowing he's a guy who's always searching for new directions i understand that bands going for that retro sound isn't to his liking.
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Ted Sallis on April 10, 2018, 08:46:39 AM
Interesting and great topic for a thread.  Here's the 1st thing I thought of that I believe qualifies: this (unfortunately) was the only album release by 3 Members of the original Alice Cooper Group when they reunited in 1977.  A vastly underrated effort which I consider far superior to the solo endeavours a couple of them - as well as Alice - had done/were doing.

Ted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhgHhnvQSN0

Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Axefiend on April 11, 2018, 11:15:03 AM
^^^ Awesome Ted! Really showcases to me how the Alice Cooper "band", wanted to continue on with being a "rock" band, as opposed to Vince's Vaudeville vision for his career.
I can't help but think that if they had maybe named their band "Battle Axe", instead of Billion Dollar Babies, and had gotten a vocalist/frontman with a little stronger voice than Michael's, maybe it would have been more of a success. just my opinion, I do enjoy the album.

Have you ever heard this Ted?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQyJ4F3EZc
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Zzzptm on April 11, 2018, 02:14:59 PM
Billy asked about Rollywood and so I had to search it up... found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbwBgR0I1JI

80s power ballads recorded in 2015... time to go home, guys, we got to get up in the morning...
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Billy Underdog on April 11, 2018, 03:12:45 PM
A white Ibanez with a fucking handle... Count me out.
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Zzzptm on April 11, 2018, 03:51:47 PM
The Album Review thread got me started on this and I realized it was quite a few years on the early side for the artpunk NYC sound of the early 80s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmXcIjjdgX4

Listening to it now, enjoying it like an old friend.
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Zzzptm on April 11, 2018, 04:25:58 PM
I like how Television's Marquee Moon was hailed as a post-punk masterpiece a year before Punk Rock really hit the global music scene. :lol:

Listening to it now, my second try to get into it, but although I got further this time than before, it's still not my cup of tea. I'm going to move on once I got something else to move on to...
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Ted Sallis on April 11, 2018, 04:48:51 PM
^^^ Awesome Ted! Really showcases to me how the Alice Cooper "band", wanted to continue on with being a "rock" band, as opposed to Vince's Vaudeville vision for his career.
I can't help but think that if they had maybe named their band "Battle Axe", instead of Billion Dollar Babies, and had gotten a vocalist/frontman with a little stronger voice than Michael's, maybe it would have been more of a success. just my opinion, I do enjoy the album.

Have you ever heard this Ted?:

Yes, I consider the Battle Axe album to sound the most similar to the classic ACG albums released from 1971 - 1973 compared to everything else the Group Members have released since the band broke up.  Interesting theory re. if they'd gone with that band name instead and had hired a stronger-voiced singer/frontman.  I do know that 1st of all there was an issue whereby the BA album had to be recalled due to a mixing and/or mastering problem, then the stage show was quite expensive and only 4 shows were performed for the 'tour' in support of the album.  So the band certainly had it's share of problems which I think was what pretty much led to it's demise.

I have In My Own Way: The Complete Sessions, a 2 CD set which features the IMOW album + 4 or 5 bonus tracks on CD 1 and 17 more bonus tracks which fill CD 2.  I'm not sure if you're aware of the release (it was released by a now-defunct record label in the U.K.) but the material throughout shows just how different many songs that MB wrote were from the classic ACG material.

Ted
Title: Re: Ahead of it's Time, Or late for the show.
Post by: Axefiend on April 11, 2018, 05:58:31 PM
I like how Television's Marquee Moon was hailed as a post-punk masterpiece a year before Punk Rock really hit the global music scene. :lol:

Listening to it now, my second try to get into it, but although I got further this time than before, it's still not my cup of tea. I'm going to move on once I got something else to move on to...

It's funny, I came across Television's "Marquee Moon" the same time as the Pink Fairies stuff not too long ago. I kind of like it, but it definitely wouldn't have been my bag in my younger days. I probably would have given an album like this to my buddy Mark back in the 90's as he was into weird stuff like "Jesus and Mary Chain" and "The Lords of the New Church", and would have been more up his alley.

Yes, I consider the Battle Axe album to sound the most similar to the classic ACG albums released from 1971 - 1973 compared to everything else the Group Members have released since the band broke up.  Interesting theory re. if they'd gone with that band name instead and had hired a stronger-voiced singer/frontman.  I do know that 1st of all there was an issue whereby the BA album had to be recalled due to a mixing and/or mastering problem, then the stage show was quite expensive and only 4 shows were performed for the 'tour' in support of the album.  So the band certainly had it's share of problems which I think was what pretty much led to it's demise.

I have In My Own Way: The Complete Sessions, a 2 CD set which features the IMOW album + 4 or 5 bonus tracks on CD 1 and 17 more bonus tracks which fill CD 2.  I'm not sure if you're aware of the release (it was released by a now-defunct record label in the U.K.) but the material throughout shows just how different many songs that MB wrote were from the classic ACG material.

Ted

Wow, I did not know all that, except for the aborted expensive tour. Cheers Ted!