Maturity in Faith, Belief, Opinion

[Sicko FanAtic]

Meditate, listen to the inner self, feel the devine. Call it what one will...

Most call it the Divine. Mike Devine was this jerk I used to know

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[Typhon]

Not on topic, but good to see you around Typhon! Fun fact, at home I have computer servers named Typhon and Echidna, and my firewall is named Cerberus.

LOL!  Glad to share my name with your server.

By the way, if you ever come across a right triangle whose hypotenuse squared is NOT the sum of the squares of the other 2 sides in that mathematical space of yours, I would like to see it. 

[Typhon]

As for the divinity, hey, we're here. Things work. That's the proof...

Your joking, right?

[Vyn]

By the way, if you ever come across a right triangle whose hypotenuse squared is NOT the sum of the squares of the other 2 sides in that mathematical space of yours, I would like to see it. 

Don't make me look for, potentially find, then read Rudin again! My undergrad degree was a long time ago lol.

[Billy Underdog]

Most call it the Divine. Mike Devine was this jerk I used to know

I kinda like him...

As for the divinity, hey, we're here. Things work. That's the proof...

Your joking, right?

No. The fact that chaos isn't chaotic at all, but in the end will make perfect sence says it all to me...

[Zzzptm]

Not on topic, but good to see you around Typhon! Fun fact, at home I have computer servers named Typhon and Echidna, and my firewall is named Cerberus.

LOL!  Glad to share my name with your server.

By the way, if you ever come across a right triangle whose hypotenuse squared is NOT the sum of the squares of the other 2 sides in that mathematical space of yours, I would like to see it. 

If you draw a triangle, the sum of the angles is always 180 degrees.

Unless you draw it on a sphere, then the curvature of the sphere makes triangles with a sum of all angles greater than 180 possible. Consider a triangle with three right angles, at the North Pole, and on the equator at 0 and 90 West.

[Zzzptm]

As for the divinity, hey, we're here. Things work. That's the proof...

Your joking, right?

Actually, given just how "goldilocks" the earth is, it has led people to conclude that it was not entirely the result of chance, that there had to be something more in its formation.

There was an excellent essay by Stansilaw Lem about how, for example, for our world to have certain elements, the planet's passage through gas clouds from supernova explosions rich in that element would have to be timed almost perfectly to conicide with its rotation around the galactic center. In fairness, the essay was regarding the potential uniqueness of life on this world and this world alone, but I took the evidence he presented as supportive of my general opinion that if life on this planet is not the result of the most singular roll of the dice imaginable, then there was some exceptional planning in its development.

It's not proof, not at all. But I consider it to be a trail worth following.

[Vyn]

Death is the verniculum that separates life and whatever comes after. We can make sense of that line, but reproducible, peer-review-able evidence of what's on the other side is not forthcoming. But one thing is certain: we will all know the answer to that question one day. Until then:

          

[Zzzptm]

Death is the verniculum that separates life and whatever comes after. We can make sense of that line, but reproducible, peer-review-able evidence of what's on the other side is not forthcoming. But one thing is certain: we will all know the answer to that question one day. Until then:

          

The undiscovered country, from whose bourne no man returns, isn't that how Shakespeare described it?

[Billy Underdog]

It's not proof, not at all. But I consider it to be a trail worth following.

Death is the verniculum that separates life and whatever comes after. We can make sense of that line, but reproducible, peer-review-able evidence of what's on the other side is not forthcoming. But one thing is certain: we will all know the answer to that question one day. Until then:

Fuck yeah!

[Sicko FanAtic]

As for the divinity, hey, we're here. Things work. That's the proof...

Your joking, right?

Actually, given just how "goldilocks" the earth is, it has led people to conclude that it was not entirely the result of chance, that there had to be something more in its formation.

There was an excellent essay by Stansilaw Lem about how, for example, for our world to have certain elements, the planet's passage through gas clouds from supernova explosions rich in that element would have to be timed almost perfectly to conicide with its rotation around the galactic center. In fairness, the essay was regarding the potential uniqueness of life on this world and this world alone, but I took the evidence he presented as supportive of my general opinion that if life on this planet is not the result of the most singular roll of the dice imaginable, then there was some exceptional planning in its development.

It's not proof, not at all. But I consider it to be a trail worth following.

The Goldilocks, or anthropomorphic principle, has been addressed by several scientific hypotheses. None of these are proven, but I find them all much more convincing than the notion of a Divine intelligence. Lawrence Krauss's "A Universe From Nothing" is one book that addresses this topic in depth.


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[Typhon]

If you draw a triangle, the sum of the angles is always 180 degrees.

Unless you draw it on a sphere, then the curvature of the sphere makes triangles with a sum of all angles greater than 180 possible. Consider a triangle with three right angles, at the North Pole, and on the equator at 0 and 90 West.

You are referring to what is called a spherical triangle.  An actual triangle is a plane figure, which means it exists in one plane.

[Typhon]

Actually, given just how "goldilocks" the earth is, it has led people to conclude that it was not entirely the result of chance, that there had to be something more in its formation.

Although it may seem highly unlikely for the earth to end up the way it is by "chance", you must consider the enormous number of planets that exits in the universe.  Each having a "chance" to end up as an earth.  Then, one would realize that it's not all that highly unlikely.

[Billy Underdog]

The Goldilocks, or anthropomorphic principle, has been addressed by several scientific hypotheses. None of these are proven, but I find them all much more convincing than the notion of a Divine intelligence. Lawrence Krauss's "A Universe From Nothing" is one book that addresses this topic in depth.

I have to stress that i don't think what i call dIvine is conscious in any way. Hence the idea of a divine intelligence become pointless in my way of seeing these things.

Actually, given just how "goldilocks" the earth is, it has led people to conclude that it was not entirely the result of chance, that there had to be something more in its formation.

Although it may seem highly unlikely for the earth to end up the way it is by "chance", you must consider the enormous number of planets that exits in the universe.  Each having a "chance" to end up as an earth.  Then, one would realize that it's not all that highly unlikely.

The fact that life on earth was down to dumb luck with 1:whatever endless sum chance, but still it's more likely that it must've happened on other planets too, if you consider the theory of inifinity into the equation, that to me is yet another proof of some kind of system in the chaos.

[Typhon]

^^^^^^
This "system" you refer to is nothing more than probability.