We Are at War with Islam

[AnnoMundi]

Muslims can stop terrorism in their ranks no better than gun owners can stop mass shooters in their ranks.

One has nothing to do with the other.

But Ofcourse muslims could do a whole lot to stop terrorism. First and foremost they should alter their faith to stop glorifying the killing of innocents. Saying that there won't be 70 virgins waiting for you in the after life if you kill innocents...but do they? Ofcourse not.

Salamon Rushdi, was right the Satanic verses.

[Typhon]

Moreover, there was the outpouring of support in Alexandria in 2011, where Muslims stood as human shields around Coptic churches after several churches had been bombed.

It's ludicrous, hateful, inhuman to denigrate a people as a whole out of ignorance, fear, and sheer laziness of thought.

We can do better.

We are not at war with Islam.

No one said, or even implied, that 100% of Muslims are out to get everyone.  And pretending we are saying that does not help your argument, it hurts it.

So follow the behavior.  After any terrorist act by a Muslim where people get killed, some Muslims condemn the act, some stay silent, maybe a few hold a service for the dead.  But when some clown in Florida burns a copy of the Karan where nobody is killed, then Muslims march in the streets, burn our flag, and shout death to America.  It is pretty obvious how warped their thinking is.

[Thelemech]

^^^That's cool Thel.
To me Shapiro seems to be quite well informed and isn't afraid to speak the truth either which is something mainstream media nowadays avoids for pc or what ever reasons...Political correctness is the greatest enemy of free speech and truthful news casting.

You also never see any big marches in Russia or China...

Sure there are...atleast once a month you get big news bulletins coming from Russia that people are protesting in Moscow, ST. Petersburg for what ever reason...

Your numbers are wrong - it's the tiny minority that's advocating violence. As for Imams that say one thing in English and another in Arabic, that happens, but, again, it's a minority.

No YOUR numbers are wrong. It is not a minority..not even close. Again if it would be just a minority it would have been rooted out by that vast majority ages ago...but it is not. Sure one can twist and turn that anyway they want to but the truth behind it won't change.

And how is it every Muslim is accountable for the actions of others? Group guilt is wrong. As an American, I don't get demands from people to apologize for my country.

Well they are if they don't try to do a damn thing to stop it. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke

Shapiro is an expert at using facts and thinking rationally about problems. He and a few others have had a great impact on me. I do not always agree with him but 90% of the time I do. The world is becoming a crazy place and it is nice to have some people voicing things that need to be said.

[Vyn]

I don't believe there is a "we" that is at war with any spectrum of Islam.

The video of Brigitte Gabriel that Tyr posted has a lot of clarity. To wit, it may be a small minority of Muslims that carry out violence in the name of Allah, but that small minority amounts to millions of people.

That minority is at war with "us".

In this case, I define "us" as anyone who is not part of the ummah and actively striving for a world caliphate.

In my not uneducated or inexperienced opinion.

[Zzzptm]

I do appreciate Vyn's parsing, particularly the part about those who are not part of the ummah.

I'll pass over Ben Shapiro, I've already spoken to what I think of his accuracy and validity as a source.

Comes down to this for me:

Israel is in an active state of war with Syria. There may be a general cease-fire, but it does not always hold.

Israel is not in an active state of war with Jordan. One may cross the border between those states, albeit with security restrictions unique to the State of Israel. Nevertheless, that's a predominantly-Muslim nation that Israel is able to distinguish from a different predominantly-Muslim nation that it is at war with.

If a Jordanian jet flies too close to Israel, Israeli air traffic control will provide a warning. If a Syrian jet flies too close to Israel, Israeli air traffic control will dispense with the warning and instead make sure the airspace is cleared out for combat actions.

My point with the above being, Israel is *not* at war with Islam. It is at war with identifiable nation-states as well as non-governmental organizations such as Hamas and Hizbollah that nevertheless maintain territory, some rudimentary governmental functions, and an active state of war with Israel.

Israel is hostile towards Iran, but does not have an active state of war with that nation. No diplomatic relations, but also no war.

So what is the purpose of saying "we are at war with Islam" if not to incite people to attack and eventually kill Muslims?

Such language of war and struggle against ideas, religions, and cultures was used by Hitler to justify violence and murder against Jews, Communists, Roma, Poles, Russians, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and so forth. This is fundamentally why I can't get on board with rhetoric like that. It doesn't stop with just one group, and it doesn't stop at self-defense.