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ROCK AND ROLL! => All Them Other Guys => Topic started by: Charger on April 11, 2019, 04:52:05 AM
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I think we can all agree that the top of the heap as far as heavy music goes in the 70s was
Black Sabbath
Rainbow
Deep Purple
They were all clearly the A-Team of what everything that was going on back then.
But then I started pondering who were the next best things?
Twisted Sister? Uriah Heep? Alice Cooper? Judas Priest? Thin Lizzy? Scorpions? AC/DC? Kiss? Rush? Blue Öyster Cult?
Motörhead is bit on the brink there as they really started getting momentum only at the end of the decade.
Something completely different?
I'd lift Judas Priest and Alice Cooper on top myself. Eventhough Priest did their best work in the 80s and early 90s, they still had some strong stuff in the 70s too...Alice Cooper on the otherhand has been rocking out insanely awesome stuff since the early 70s and has had some great albums on every decade since.
What are your thought on the B-Team of the 70s metal?
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Charger you can’t leave out Led Zeppelin as part of the A team, they were probably the A+ of the A Team.
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Charger you can’t leave out Led Zeppelin as part of the A team, they were probably the A+ of the A Team.
Oh I can...and easily. We were talking about heavy music here not radio pop! ;D
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If we rank in terms of overall popularity along with heaviness, Zeppelin would be in the A-team. Yeah, they had some pop, but they were definitely heavy dudes.
One guy that got called up to the majors but turned them down was Rory Gallagher. After Blackmore left, he was one of the guitarists approached to replace him in Deep Purple. There's a legend (as in not proven, could be just made up, but, then again, maybe it happened) that a reporter once asked Jimi Hendrix how it felt to be the best guitarist in the world. Hendrix replied, "I don't know. You should ask Rory Gallagher."
Gallagher wasn't always heavy, but he had plenty heavy stuff in his repertoire. And, to Charger's point, he was *never* a pop act. NEVER. He's absolutely one of the best of the best.
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Next act I want to tout would be, hmmm... it's got to be some band as good as DP/BS/Rainbow, where it's awful hard for me to find a bad track on any album.
I can pick and choose in and out of BOC, Uriah Heep, Priest, Grand Funk, guys like that. I like them a lot, but not the way I like the top three (and Rory Gallagher). So who else do I find little to no fault with?
Here's one - Captain Beyond. Great second album, but a MONSTER first album. I can play it over and over and over again. Rod Evans was made for Captain Beyond, not Deep Purple.
Another one I'll put forward is Journey. Well, I'll caveat that by saying pre-Steve Perry Journey. The albums from Schon / Rolie / Valory / Dunbar - Journey, Look Into the Future, and Next - are some good heavy rock, albeit with jazz fusion here and there, but the jazz fusion works somehow and I got three solid albums with loads of heavy jamming going on.
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And let's hear it for MOUNTAIN, yeah! That band is more influential than meets the eye. Great albums, loads of monster tracks.
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If we rank in terms of overall popularity along with heaviness, Zeppelin would be in the A-team. Yeah, they had some pop, but they were definitely heavy dudes.
One guy that got called up to the majors but turned them down was Rory Gallagher. After Blackmore left, he was one of the guitarists approached to replace him in Deep Purple. There's a legend (as in not proven, could be just made up, but, then again, maybe it happened) that a reporter once asked Jimi Hendrix how it felt to be the best guitarist in the world. Hendrix replied, "I don't know. You should ask Rory Gallagher."
Gallagher wasn't always heavy, but he had plenty heavy stuff in his repertoire. And, to Charger's point, he was *never* a pop act. NEVER. He's absolutely one of the best of the best.
Thanks Z, I would have to nominate KISS.
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I didn't even remember Rory Gallagher...don't know enough about him so say anything really...
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I'd like to throw UFO's hat into the ring.
And yep, Zeppelin is undoubtedly in the A-Team of the heavy hitters.
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I'd like to throw UFO's hat into the ring.
And yep, Zeppelin is undoubtedly in the A-Team of the heavy hitters.
^^ this !! :rockon: :headbanger:
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I didn't even remember Rory Gallagher...don't know enough about him so say anything really...
You owe it to yourself to check him out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hU6TCq1mY8
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^^
I shall...after workout.
If we rank in terms of overall popularity along with heaviness, Zeppelin would be in the A-team. Yeah, they had some pop, but they were definitely heavy dudes.
True popularity wise ofcourse Zeppelin would be on top...they were/are way more popular than Sabbath, Purple or Rainbow...but as we have so often seen popularity has nothing to do with quality... ;)
Leppelin for me is one of the most overrated bands in history so I cannot put them in the a-list or b-list or even w-list.
Ah yes... UFO...forgot about them. Yes that's a good addition to the list.
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Budgie, Thin Lizzy.
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Atomic Rooster :yes:
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I'm not particularly familiar with them but how about Nazareth?
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Atomic Rooster :yes:
:yes: :yes: especially their second and third albums, wow!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVf7SG1-DGg
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Can it be bands that formed in the 70’s but released their debut starting in the eighties or do they have to have released their debut in the 70’s?
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Sir Lord Baltimore
Dust
Two of my faves from back in the day.
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Can it be bands that formed in the 70’s but released their debut starting in the eighties or do they have to have released their debut in the 70’s?
No I was talking especially about 70s bands who had a big active career in or around the same time as Sabbath, Purple and Rainbow...which is why I left out bands like Maiden.
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So does Motörhead & Van Halen count? They released 3 and 2 albums respectively in the late 70's. Just thinking if everyone made their top 10 favourite heavy bands of the 70's list here or in another thread.
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I touched on Motörhead in my opening post...They are bit tricky as they did release stuff in the 70s but only really got momentum at the end of the decade...I think it's bit touch and go with them actually...
Don't know enough about Van Halen to say anything but I'd imagine they are bit of the same...
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Can it be bands that formed in the 70’s but released their debut starting in the eighties or do they have to have released their debut in the 70’s?
No I was talking especially about 70s bands who had a big active career in or around the same time as Sabbath, Purple and Rainbow...which is why I left out bands like Maiden.
Thanks Charger, I figured that much.
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Budgie, Thin Lizzy.
:headbanger: nice choices Elves!!
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Budgie, Thin Lizzy.
:headbanger: nice choices Elves!!
Thanks Thelemech.
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I'm thinking of bands that had massive or semi-massive popularity during the 70s, with either their whole career in that decade or the most significant part of their career in that decade or, hell, they started late 68 and didn't end until they all took retirement in 2015... but the 70s were theirs, and they were heavy, and they deserve a good, substantial listen, just like Sab/Purp/'Bow.
Rainbow started in 1975, so for purposes of the discussion, that's probably the latest we'd want a debut album. As it was, Rainbow only had 3 studio and 1 live album for the 70s, before Blackmore turned left and headed towards Poptown, to live in the suburb of Balladville.
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Yes that sounds about right.
Mid 70s for the debut would be acceptable...
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So Kiss fits right in.^^^^
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So Kiss fits right in.^^^^
Oh yes..which is why I mentioned Kiss on the opening post.
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So Kiss fits right in.^^^^
Oh yes..which is why I mentioned Kiss on the opening post.
No disrespect Charger but I don’t see you mentioning Kiss in your opening post, I thought I first mentioned them.
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So Kiss fits right in.^^^^
Oh yes..which is why I mentioned Kiss on the opening post.
No disrespect Charger but I don’t see you mentioning Kiss in your opening post, I thought I first mentioned them.
But then I started pondering who were the next best things?
Twisted Sister? Uriah Heep? Alice Cooper? Judas Priest? Thin Lizzy? Scorpions? AC/DC? Kiss? Rush? Blue Öyster Cult?
;)
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So Kiss fits right in.^^^^
Oh yes..which is why I mentioned Kiss on the opening post.
No disrespect Charger but I don’t see you mentioning Kiss in your opening post, I thought I first mentioned them.
But then I started pondering who were the next best things?
Twisted Sister? Uriah Heep? Alice Cooper? Judas Priest? Thin Lizzy? Scorpions? AC/DC? Kiss? Rush? Blue Öyster Cult?
;)
Charger I think we’re on the same wave length:)
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Both Kiss and Aerosmith were probably bigger in America in the 70's than Sabbath & Purple ever were.
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Both Kiss and Aerosmith were probably bigger in America in the 70's than Sabbath & Purple ever were.
I got to see Aerosmith, great band.
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I've seen them too. It's kinda strange though. Aerosmith never made a dent in Australia until Permamnt Vacation and then obviously Pump propelled them to stratospheric heights here but they were big in America long before then. Rush is another band that never made it Australia despite being big elsewhere, which is why they never ever toured here. Kiss on the other hand were huge in Australia.
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I've seen them too. It's kinda strange though. Aerosmith never made a dent in Australia until Permamnt Vacation and then obviously Pump propelled them to stratospheric heights here but they were big in America long before then. Rush is another band that never made it Australia despite being big elsewhere, which is why they never ever toured here. Kiss on the other hand were huge in Australia.
Never really got into Rush except for the radio hits, I like Kiss, they’re ok.
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Yeah Ive never been a Rush fan but I do like some of their early works. I was a massive Kiss fan in the late 70's early 80's though. Was obsessed with them. First album I ever owned was Kiss Alive and first album I ever bought with my own money was Ace Frehley's 1978 solo album. They were also my first concert I went to back in November of 1980.
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Yeah Ive never been a Rush fan but I do like some of their early works. I was a massive Kiss fan in the late 70's early 80's though. Was obsessed with them. First album I ever owned was Kiss Alive and first album I ever bought with my own money was Ace Frehley's 1978 solo album. They were also my first concert I went to back in November of 1980.
People like to knock Kiss and say they’re talentless, but I like em and for a talentless band they’ve sure made it big. I like the Rush debut album.
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Yeah their music holds up without the glitz and make up, particularly their 70's material is amazing. Paul Stanley wrote a lot of great heavy riffs.
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Both Kiss and Aerosmith were probably bigger in America in the 70's than Sabbath & Purple ever were.
Most certainly they were.
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Both Kiss and Aerosmith were probably bigger in America in the 70's than Sabbath & Purple ever were.
which is logical, Kiss and Aerosmith offers a music catalogs more accessible to the general public than does Deep Purple and especially Black Sabbath. I'm not saying they are not so good but easier to listen to. The fact that they are both american bands had to help them too ...
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Yeah their music holds up without the glitz and make up, particularly their 70's material is amazing. Paul Stanley wrote a lot of great heavy riffs.
Agreed Jack.
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Has the New York Dolls been brought up?
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Has the New York Dolls been brought up?
Good call, they're a great band that had some fun songs in their catalog.
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Has the New York Dolls been brought up?
Good call, they're a great band that had some fun songs in their catalog.
Thanks Z, did you know Blackie Lawless played with them for a brief period?
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Has the New York Dolls been brought up?
Good call, they're a great band that had some fun songs in their catalog.
Thanks Z, did you know Blackie Lawless played with them for a brief period?
Did *not* know that, cool bit of trivia!
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Now, if I was behind the Iron Curtain in the 70s, I'd hope it was either in East Germany or Hungary. In East Germany, I'd be a total Puhdys fan, no question about it. In Hungary, I'd have Lokomotiv GT and enjoy their heavier stuff, but I'd be eagerly awaiting releases from Skorpio.
BECAUSE THOSE WERE JUST ABOUT THE ONLY HARD ROCK BANDS MAKING LEGAL RECORDINGS IN THE WARSAW PACT COUNTRIES!
Cool thing was, even though they were just about the only bands, they were also really good at what they did:
Puhdys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxlJp0LIQBs
^This one sounds very much like a UFO tune, and why not? Kids liked the sound, and this was a way to get it legally in East Germany. The band didn't have a traditional western rock and roll image, but their work doesn't need an image to sound good.
Skorpio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qaOY4CZGY
^Skorpio definitely took hints from Deep Purple, Slade, and Uriah Heep and made it all work together. The bass player was the driving creative force in the band and does an awesome job, while he's at it. Their sound changed suddenly in the early 80s, and I blame the crackdown against Solidarity for that.