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ROCK AND ROLL! => All Them Other Guys => Topic started by: Sabbabbath on March 19, 2018, 12:36:23 PM
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https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/music/2015/03/25/18-stars-who-prove-queer-people-can-rock#article-content
I admit there's a part of me that hopes OID and Ronn (or the group of people who use his name) come around, simply because it might be fun to watch them freaking out about this.
Anyway, even without that possible extra bit of entertainment, I like the topic.
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Can't forget the wild man himself, Little Richard.
“Elvis may be the King of Rock and Roll, but I am the Queen.” - Richard Penniman aka Little Richard
https://scholarsandrogues.com/2017/08/27/little-richard-the-ecstasy-of-cognitive-dissonance/
As one reads The Life and Times of Little Richard, what emerge poignantly are the conflicts in Richard Penniman’s psyche. Torn between his love of rock and roll and his love of religion, torn between his “homosexuality” (though more likely he is bi-sexual given his own descriptions of his relationships with men and women) and his desire to be “normal,” torn between his love of public adulation and his desire to be a good son and brother, torn between his status as a major star and the prejudice and mistreatment he encountered as a black man, Little Richard is the victim of enough cognitive dissonance for at least three people.
For me, a rocker's orientation often has little or no effect on my being able to enjoy the rocker's music. Sometimes I wonder, and then I figure it's not any of my business, really, how about another song... But for people who need to know who else out there feels the way that they do, being able to see how someone else deals with inner struggles - successfully or unsuccessfully - helps to provide triangulation for making it through life.
What must be most difficult for most people is the sheer fluidity of so many musicians. People like to be able to toggle someone into one category or the other. Not just straight people, a lot of gays I've talked with feel the same way. Bisexualism and the idea of sexuality as a spectrum and even as a variable that can change over time challenges a lot of definitions that depend on there being a sort of "well are you or aren't you?" determination and then proceeding from there. Most people don't want a "yes" answer to that question or a "well, mostly...".
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When Rob Halford "came out of the closet" I was like :whistling: big secret!! LOL
What someone does with another consenting adult in the bedroom has little to do with how hard they can rock.
Freddie Mercury and Rob Halford :rockon: Enuff Said!!!
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Oh and not to forget the great Elton John!!
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I just love the fact that alot of the Metal fashion is due to Halford using "mr. leather" gay paraphernalia.
And that alot of the Queen songs that people read into that it's Mercury talking about his emotions, I Want To Break Free, You're My Best Friend, Spread Your Wings, etc actually was written by John Deacon.
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I just love the fact that alot of the Metal fashion is due to Halford using "mr. leather" gay paraphernalia.
:smug: That is pretty funny when you think about it.
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I just love the fact that alot of the Metal fashion is due to Halford using "mr. leather" gay paraphernalia.
:smug: That is pretty funny when you think about it.
And makes sense why my mom was mortified when I said I wanted a black leather jacket with metal studs. I HAD NO CLUE, MAN!!!
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I just love the fact that alot of the Metal fashion is due to Halford using "mr. leather" gay paraphernalia.
:smug: That is pretty funny when you think about it.
And makes sense why my mom was mortified when I said I wanted a black leather jacket with metal studs. I HAD NO CLUE, MAN!!!
:lol:
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Another funny moment... I was in high school 1983-1986. It was 1985 and word was going around that someone in Hüsker Dü was gay.
(https://img.wennermedia.com/article-leads-horizontal/gettyimages-76056658-4fa26a7c-8ed3-4221-bb66-cab7ff7efb3a.jpg)
We took a look at the band photograph and figured, "Yep. It's the guy with the mustache. What is he, the bass player? He is? Oh yeah, he's the gay guy."
Imagine our deep shock and realization that our gaydar was either broken or non-existent when we realized he was actually the straight guy in the band...
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Another funny moment... I was in high school 1983-1986. It was 1985 and word was going around that someone in Hüsker Dü was gay.
(https://img.wennermedia.com/article-leads-horizontal/gettyimages-76056658-4fa26a7c-8ed3-4221-bb66-cab7ff7efb3a.jpg)
We took a look at the band photograph and figured, "Yep. It's the guy with the mustache. What is he, the bass player? He is? Oh yeah, he's the gay guy."
Imagine our deep shock and realization that our gaydar was either broken or non-existent when we realized he was actually the straight guy in the band...
That WAS the typical "gay guy mustache" in the 80's, though, so i can understand how you "reasoned".
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That WAS the typical "gay guy mustache" in the 80's, though, so i can understand how you "reasoned".
:rofl:
There was such a thing??? :D :D :D
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That WAS the typical "gay guy mustache" in the 80's, though, so i can understand how you "reasoned".
:rofl:
There was such a thing??? :D :D :D
Indeed there was! You missed that? ;D
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That WAS the typical "gay guy mustache" in the 80's, though, so i can understand how you "reasoned".
:rofl:
There was such a thing??? :D :D :D
A nice mix of a stereotype and an actual fad in the New York club scene. Just look at any photo of The Village People.
Or the Queen himself.
(https://www.altpress.com/images/uploads/news/freddie_mercury_credit_instagram.jpg)
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Well I have to say I obviously have not paid enough attention to gay men's facial hair....pardon my ignorance. ;D
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Well I have to say I obviously have not paid enough attention to gay men's facial hair....pardon my ignorance. ;D
Man, too busy with your cars to look out of the window from time to time? ;)
EDIT: I guess that the "gay mustache" of the 1980ies was the predecessor of what became the "hipster mustache" a while ago:
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f0/01/ff/f001ff40cf9867b589501d00a02a8a80--hipster-mustache-hipster-hairstyles-men.jpg)
...and finally developed into the fill-blown "hipster beard":
(https://wundergroundmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hipsters-spec-ops-beards.jpg)
But I might be wrong - it's just a theory, I didn't really look for evidence. ;D
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Man, too busy with your cars to look out of the window from time to time? ;)
Perhaps...or maybe men's facial hairs just don't tickle my boat.... ;)
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Man, too busy with your cars to look out of the window from time to time? ;)
Perhaps...or maybe men's facial hairs just don't tickle my boat.... ;)
Well, I can see that. :) In fact I am usually not interested in beards either, except that I find most of them pretty ugly, to be honest. But then, there's so many much uglier things in the world... ;D
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There was also the earring code... "Right ear, wrong ear; left ear, right ear." Meaning, if you're a straight guy and want to sport a single earring, don't put it in your right ear lobe or you'll be putting out a signal that will draw unwanted attentions...
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There was also the earring code... "Right ear, wrong ear; left ear, right ear." Meaning, if you're a straight guy and want to sport a single earring, don't put it in your right ear lobe or you'll be putting out a signal that will draw unwanted attentions...
Yeah, I remember that too. In my school, not a single guy dared to put an erring in his right ear. Man, am I glad to be far away of that school now...
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Well I have to say I obviously have not paid enough attention to gay men's facial hair....pardon my ignorance. ;D
I thought that was mostly the only thing you were paying attention to? How wrong one can be sometimes... :P
I guess that the "gay mustache" of the 1980ies was the predecessor of what became the "hipster mustache" a while ago
Might be to some degree, as a big part of the whole hipster thing is the "fashion of yesterday", but in that regard i think it's more the hippie facial hair that's the inspiration. Or rather more a late 19th century fashion, as it's more often than not waxed (which the hippie mustaches sure wasn't).
Being accused of being a hipster all the time i can only say to me it's because i don't bother shaving every day. And it actually looks cool. And it's a bit to do with that i like the look of the 60's/70's... :) :yes:
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Nowadays, it's pretty much down to saying "I'm gay" to be identified as gay. As time passes, so should any social stigma once associated with being able to express a sexual preference. Most of my generation would not come out as gay in high school, it was just too hostile an environment to be officially gay. In college or afterward, they could arrange things so as to be publicly gay. Austin, Texas was where I went to college and that was a place where people were pretty much free to let all kinds of freak flags fly.
But, even then, there were still highly stereotypical views about how to be properly one way or another. Being openly one way or another was new to just about everyone, and we had to find our way through it all to make sense.
Freddie Mercury passing away because of AIDS-related causes really helped us all to wake up and become more compassionate, if nothing else. As other artists came forward publicly, even if their public statement served only to confirm a suspicion, it helped to chip away at notions that non-conformity was a threat. If we could be different in such a fundamental way and still manage to rock out together, did being different in that way make a difference in other areas of life?
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^^^ That sure did help. Something that doesn't help is that someone like Dave Mustaine is still highly and openly homophobic (because he's a moron, despite being a brilliant musician and song-writer), and to make matters worse, he claims to be in the name of "christianity". Thou shall not judge, yeah right...
Still claims to be a fan of Queen and Judas Priest, though. Just don't understand that one, but now we might be moving into the territories we're touching upon in the Black Metal and Extremism-thread? To be a fan of something/someone you don't necessarily agree with as a person/the actions of as a person.
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To be a fan of something/someone you don't necessarily agree with as a person/the actions of as a person.
Well played, Mr. Underdog. Well played. As a reward, I will hereafter not give you crap about liking extreme metal. :metal1: :abbath: :death:
But, I'm afraid my approval comes with a price...
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^ But, is nevertheless on topic for this thread, when we think about it...
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^ But, is nevertheless on topic for this thread, when we think about it...
A double sided :lol: