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ROCK AND ROLL! => All Them Other Guys => Topic started by: Zzzptm on October 16, 2024, 09:57:24 AM
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Is the song 9:59 or shorter?
Is it 15:01 or longer?
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So take that suggestion for Balakirev's "Russia Symphonic Poem" and shove it! >:( The Tom Moulton Mix of "You'll Never Find Another Love Like Mine?" UNACCEPTABLE! >:D
I'm going to go also with the thinking that a stretched-out live version won't cut it unless the studio version is also in the time window. Use your own judgment on that front.
My first entry must be from the great Fela Kuti, "Water No Get Enemy". This is one I am playing over and over since discovering it, as the message in the lyrics is deep and powerful. Coupled with the instrumentalists, it's a profound ride each time.
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In 10th place we have some epic DOOOM METAL
SOLITUDE AETURNUS - EMBRACE
Doom metal legends final album Alone (So far anyways...they have reunited recently) had a bonus track which actually clocked over 10 minutes! It is also their longest song and an absolute masterpiece. Robert’s haunting vocals, John Perez’s epical riffing, tempo changes and the overall mood of the song is heavy as hell. This is some top notch epic DOOOOOOOOM right here!
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Hmmm I may have shot myself in the foot with the 15-minute restriction! I just realised a couple of songs I had in mind are slightly over 15 minutes! But I do have 10, so without a further adieu (or is it "a do"?)...
First choice... I do the last few in order!
Foetus - Slung
A version of JG Thirwell's "Foetus" this is from the 1996 album Gash. A post punk swing tume here clocking in a 11:22 (it has a lengthy instrumental with a drum and horn section and then the guitar and bass come in later which I rather like)!
And yes the start does sound as if they've already started when they remember to switch the tape on!
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Uriah Heep opens up my list with "The Magician's Birthday". If a person can look like a song sounds, I always thought this is what Ken Hensley would look like.
It was the '70s, man. What can I say?
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I need to catch up on your earlier posts... I don't really have the time now!!
The second pick for me is...
Magnum - Don't Wake the Lion
A moody almost proggy song about war (WWI I believe) with slower and faster parts. Clocking in at around 10:30 this comes from their 1988 album Wings of Heaven.
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On 9th place we have the center piece of one of the greatest concept albums ever made.
SUITE SISTER MARY by Queenrÿche
This is a great tune...the music is suberb and the duet vocals of Geoff and Pamela work like a charm. Best song on the album too.
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Roy Harper - "The Game"
From his HQ album (When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease in the US), released in 1975. Features David Gilmour on guitar and some incredible lyrics from an incredible lyricist. One of my favorite tracks to spin.
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From late 1967, "When the Music's Over" is the last song on the second side of The Doors' second long player, Strange Days. An edited version used to get a lot of rotation on "classic rock" stations. Prior to it being considered "classic", every so often, late at night, the entire song would get played.
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On 9th place we have the center piece of one of the greatest concept albums ever made.
That is one bleak collection of songs! I bought their EP when it came out (basic, by-the-numbers metal), and then never heard anything about them. Then years down the road a friend of mine had picked up mind crime, and I was like, "this is not the same band" lol.
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My third entry...
Sky Valley Mistress "Blue Desert"
No two ways about this one, it COOKS. Starts off low and slow, but there's heat in them vocals. The whole song builds expertly into a proper blaze. When I feel like listening to one of the longer Led Zeppelin songs, I put this track on. :smug:
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Choice number 3
Helloween - Halloween
Y'know I'm not a huge fan of Helloween, but I really like this 13:18 song. It's off the 1987 album Keeper of the Seven Keys Part I
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One of a handful of songs I like from Led Zeppelin happens to fit the timing requirements of this list. To me, this was like my experience with Queensryche and Operation Mind Crime - sounded nothing like their earlier stuff and seem to be a from a band functioning at a higher level - from 1976, I bring you, "Achilles Last Stand":
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^For me, "Achilles Last Stand" never really clicked the way Carouselambra or Kashmir did. I think it's one of the reasons I don't like Presence all that much.
My choice today is an offering from Funkadelic featuring Philippe Wynne, recently departed from The Spinners: "Uncle Jam"
Lots of textures in the track, excellent drumming, and it's fun how it musically quotes "Soldier in the Army of the Lord" as Philippe Wynne does his freestyle freaky flow.
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I missed yesterday so I'm one behind...
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My 8th place is a track from TYPE O NEGATIVE's final album Dead Again called PROFIT OF DOOM
A great doomy track with a classic Type O sound. Tempo changes and other oddities just as you'd expect from the band. I'm quite close of calling this one my all time favourite Type O Negative song.
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For something a little different: Charles Mingus – "Pithecanthropus Erectus". This is the title track of the LP released in 1956. The entire album is fantastic.
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Pick number 4... and I hope I haven't stolen anyone's thunder
Iron Maiden - Rime of the Ancient Mariner
I think this is still my favourite 10+ minute song from Maiden, although I did consider The Red and the Black, but I haven't listened to the Book of Souls in a while.
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Well you made it bit easier for me to pick my Maiden tune then! ;D
But we ain't quite there yet.
For my 7th place I have a song from SAVATAGE
This is their only 10+ minute song and it's from their last album Poets And Madmen.
It's a great track with great vocals from Jon and the band is firing on all cylinders. It's not quite as good as some of their earlier epics such as Hourglass and Chance but it's still a great tune and worthy to be on this list!
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Rush released Caress of Steel in late 1975 and with it the lengthy story-song "The Necromancer".
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My Rush choice will be much later in the list, but I do like The Necromancer
Choice 5
The Damned - Dark Asteroid
From the 2008 album So Who's Paranoid, this 14:02 tribute to Syd Barrett ends the album. It's in 2 parts the song section lasts about 4 minutes then there's a jam with duelling guitar and Hammond for the next 10 minutes.
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My 6th place is a rather new discovery AND it's an instrumental!!
DEATH ANGEL THE ULTRA VIOLENCE
I just discovered this song earlier this year! What a beast of a tune! That intro riff is suberb! But there's really nothing to complain about this one. 10 minutes just fly by listening to this thrash metal masterpiece! Easily THE best Thrash instrumental I've ever heard! Beats those dragging Metallica instrumentals 10 to nothing!
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Sly & The Family Stone - "Dance to the Medley"
Sly Stone doing an extended dance remix/mashup of his own music before extended dance remixes/mashups were a thing.
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So, getting to the top 5 now and on any given day any of these could be in any position.
Pick No.6
Iced Earth - High Water Mark (Part 3 of the Gettysburg 1863 Trilogy)
I went with Part 3 of the Gettysburg Trilogy (July 3rd 1863) from the 2004 album The Glorious Burden and lasting 12:36. I thought about going with Part 1 (The Devil to Pay) but there's not much in it. Just for full disclosure Part 2 (Hold At All Costs) is too short to be considered for inclusion. I would usually consider the 3 parts as one song but it's over 31 minutes in total so way too long!
These are just fab songs and show what you can do when you write rock songs with an orchestra in mind.
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Miles Davis's Bitches Brew came out in 1970 and, as was SOP for Miles, caught everyone off-guard. I spent a lot of time when I was a kid trying to like this record, then just gave up. It wasn't until many years on that my musical palette matured enough for it (and most other Jazz/Jazz-inflected music) to make sense.
This song though, "Sanctuary," always stood out to me and I've enjoyed it since I first heard it in probably 1973 or so. Notably, Wayne Shorter composed it.
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KDC!!!!!!!!! YOU STINKER!!!
That was gonna be a top 3 song for me!!!
Launching my TOP 5 is a song from NIGHTWISH called THE POET AND THE PENDULUM
The opening track of the SUBERB Dark Passion Play album...sort of reminds me of a certain Iron Maiden song that opens a certain album (more of that later) being the longest song on the album.
It's always a bit of a gamble to open an album with a massive song. I personally prefer shorter more rockier openers BUT sometimes a band just hits the nail on the head with a big opener as well and Nightwish sure made it so here.
Lots of tempo changes and different types of passages here...very progressive in nature but not in a wankery kind of way.
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Ooops! I can swao it for Devil to Pay if you like! It was a toss up anyway.
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Hah no worries...I think I'll do that and just drop it down a bit. :)
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Best parts of these lists are the ninja moves!
Deep Purple - Child in Time
This one blew me away as a kid and even though Big Ian can't sing it in concert anymore, it's a legend of a song.
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ARGHHHHH!!!!
I was afraid that would happen as that would have been my number 1! SHIT! Now I really gotta start thinking about things...goddamnit! :D
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There's more stealing going on than a hot runners baseball game!
As for my next pick, doubtful anyone will have been thinking about it (and it's not a jazz tune!): "The Musical Box" by Genesis. They released their album Nursery Cryme in 1971, and this song holds the plot to both the title of the album and the cover illustration. Pretty good Halloween story, actually!
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Selection 7
Yes - Machine Messiah
1980... Jon Anderson has left Yes as has keyboard guru Rick Wakeman. In comes Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes from pop group Buggles... the "End is Nigh" according to the Yes faithful...
Actually they were quite a good fit and you still had Steve Howe, Chris Squire and Alan White to hold the fort. While not perfect the 1980 album Drama is perfectly serviceable and includes the 10:26 song Machine Messiah and I rather like it.
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Thanks to ZZZ stealing my NUMBER 1 I had to rethink things....and this is what I came up with...
So at #4 we have
BLACK SABBATH - THE WARNING
I don't think I need to post a link to this one... :smug:
Originally I was planning on leaving this out as it is a cover song but now I had to come up with something quick and I do LOVE this song...or to be more precise the solo section of the song...Tony's guitar solo jam here is nothing short of brilliant and it's something that very few bands have done on a record and Sabbath never did anything like this again either. So this is a bit of an oddity in that regard and I assume the only real reason at the time to do this was to fill the record up but my goodness it works great. Anyone who thinks Tony's just a riff master should most certainly listen to this song!
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Noticing in this list there are many more ninja moves than with the short songs. Also there are a lot more short songs to play with and that they tend to favor the punk side of things. This list is leaning more towards prog, jazz, and 12" dance remixes...
... which is what this one is. I *love* Ashford & Simpson, as there's an incredible positivity in their music, much like Earth Wind & Fire and other funk acts that wanted to put out a message of hope and love.
I also *love* Tom Moulton and the touches he brings to his mixes. He has a special touch for extending the instrumentals and making things flow in a brilliant journey that is both listenable and danceable.
So put them together and we have "Found a Cure (A Tom Moulton Mix)"...
Being where I am between jobs, it's good to hear the repeated line of "Love will fix it" as the dancebeats drive the funky mix forward. I should also note that while not all disco is funk, this funk is also disco. Thank you, Ashford, Simpson, and Tom.
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I was expecting someone to include "Warning". I do like the song but I'm the exact opposite Charger reasoning... I like the song part but I'm not keen on the guitar noodling!
Into my top 3 now and at number 3 we have:
Hawkwing - Assault and Battery / The Golden Void
This one is barely long enough at 10:08. It comes from the 1975 album Warriors at the Edge of Time. I'm not always a fan of their longer songs, but this works well.
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Have listened to very little Hawkwind (as it's not really my cup of tea) but listening to that song now and it again baffles me how far outside the Hawkwind sound Lemmy went with Motörhead. I think it was clear that Hawkwind was NOT the kind of music Lemmy really wanted to play....
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"Advance Romance" by Frank Zappa. This song appears all over the place as a live rendition. In fact, it's original release was as a live song. But, all of the versions I'm aware of clock in at the 10 < song < 15 minute requirement, so I picked the one from Philly '76. As with much from him, it's about the sound and tone despite the often puerile lyrics that made him notable to the average Joe. While listening to him in their garage )
Anyway, guitar solo kicks in around 6:20 and cooks. Thanks Frank!
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Since KDC took my IE track I'll do another one....frankly both songs are rather excellent so it doesn't matter..
So my choice for #3 is the first part of the magnum opus of Iced Earth called THE DEVIL TO PAY
An absolutely stellar piece of epical heavy metal greatness this one. It's about the events that took place on July 1st 1863 during the US civil war.
There are lot of different passages in the song with various themes but one that rises above all and serves as a great hook and bridge in the middle of the song is a fantastic version of When Johnny Comes Marching Home which Jon dedicated to the fallen Union general John Reynolds that was struck down by a Rebel sharpshooter.
Tim's vocal preformance on this song is masterful, it's preformance that I can't believe any other singer could achieve.
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Regarding Lemmy, I think he was still learning his trade whilst in Hawkwind. The sacking was probably the kick up the ass he needed to go out and do his own thing! I don't think there was anything like Motorhead in the early-mid 70s so he just created it.
And, of course, The Devil to Pay is a tremendous achievement.
Choice 9, number 2 on my list.
Metallica - The Outlaw Torn (Unencumbered By Manufacturing Restrictions Version)
The original version from Load only clocks in at about 9:45 because they ran out of space on the CD to fit it all in (frankly I can thin of a song they could have ditched and the album wouldn't have suffered!). However the 10:48 version appears in the Memory Remains single.
I can't put my finger on quite why it's such a masterpiece but we find it at number 2 on my list.
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Number 2: A toss-up between this and, "Overworlder," and this track won out on a coin toss.
Released as the opening track on 2022's The Singularity, "Orphans of the Singe" is a standout track that exemplifies Wo Fat's ability to combine heavy riffage with psychedelic exploration. The song stays relatively simple in terms of harmonic progression, but it’s the intricate layering, rhythmic diversity, and dynamic control that elevate it. The band’s deep connection to blues-based riffing, paired with their willingness to stretch into more avant-garde territory, makes this track both a heavy and hypnotic experience. It’s a testament to their ability to craft songs that are as crushing as they are captivating.
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^ I almost chose that one and decided, "no, I'll let Vyn have it." :smug:
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^ I almost chose that one and decided, "no, I'll let Vyn have it." :smug:
Thanks!
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When I first heard this as a kid, it really stuck with me, especially the question about "if you only had a minute to breathe..." Great chill song, long jam, solid mood piece.
Traffic - "The Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys"
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That song used to get heavy rotation on the local radio station from circa 1980-1990. They played it seemingly every other hour for a decade. And that was about the last time I had heard it.
Listening to it now, I am reminded why it was such an awesome tune. Oversaturation ruined it for a while, but it really is excellent across the board.
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So time for the SECOND best song over 10 minutes, but under 15 minutes.
This one comes from BENEDICTUM and it's called SEASONS OF TRAGEDY
It's the title track of their second album and it's one monster of a song! It starts of with a hindu chant before kicking off the riff barage! Veronica Freeman's vocal preformance he is nothing short of amazing and Peter Wells' guitar work it top notch. Former DIO bassist Jeff Pilson plays keyboards here!
Great epic tune this one.
The track starts at 47:25.
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Ninth suggestion...
From the epic Headhunters album, Herbie Hancock's "Sly"
This is a great track for driving around town, feels like I'm in a 1970s police drama/thriller/chase scene as things warm up and then get fast and exciting.
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Numero Uno: "The World is a Ghetto" by War.
This was their fifth long player, and by 1972 they had long since left Eric Burdon behind. All Day Music firmly positioning them as a world-class act in and of themselves, The World is a Ghetto solidified their standing. The title track clocks in just over ten minutes, and I used to annoy the hell out of my friends playing this record because none of them liked it.
I always have.
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Pick Number 10, and therefore my #1 choice
Rush - Xanadu
From the album A Farewell to Kings, this track is 11:09 and a slice of prog right in the middle of their prog period. Inspired by the work Kubla Khan by Samuel Taylor Coleridge which tells the story of a search for Xanadu and the misfortunes incurred!
Only 3 members in the group, they sound like there's 10!
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That song has superior transportive powers. Well played, sir!
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My top 3 went bit off because of Zzz stealing my #1 so I had to adjust...BUT the top dog here still is one hell of a song.
KDC took the other Maiden track from me which was actually a good thing because it made it easy here to choose this as my number one
IRON MAIDEN - SIGN OF THE CROSS
I talked about putting a slower longer song as an album opener before on this list but there are most certainly few occations when the risk has paid off in spades and this most certainly is one of them.
Starting with a quiet chant leading into a slow intro that then bursts into one of the best fast parts of any Maiden songs. Blaze's vocal delivery is absolutely brilliant. Sure very different from Bruce's but honestly Bruce never has sung this song right and he has admitted that himself.
I have said that I want this to be the song to be played at my funeral...sadly though I doubt anyone will be there to hear it.
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I should have put money on that being your #1! :D
It is a good song though.
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I'm just going to swap the order that I listed mine, as I've re-thunk things, but the top 3 are the same!
10. Magnum
9. Halloween
8. The Damned
7. Iron Maiden
6. Foetus
5. Yes
4. Iced Earth
3. Hawkwind
2. Metallica
1. Rush
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If anything I am predictable! :D
I do find it bit shocking that you had that Metallica tune so up high...I am listening to it now and I find it just as mediocre as before...
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Mad props on the selections of Maiden, Rush, and War! All good stuff there.
For my tenth pick, it's a "last but by no means least" selection - The Temptations' full 11:44 version of "Papa Was a Rolling Stone." One of the crowning tracks of the Psychedelic Soul genre, Norman Whitfield's composition and arrangement shines through in this extended masterpiece. It's a rich, dark, heavy track with clean playing throughout and that most haunting of choruses...
And if Isaac Hayes' "Hyperbolicsyllablicsesquedalymistic" had been 22 seconds longer, I'd have it on this list, as well! :smug:
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Man, what a great collection of music we've come up with. Forty songs and not one rap tune! lol Inspired by Kilo's re-adjusted list oder, I dropped everyone's into a list, from last one posted and ending with the first.
Kilo:
Don't Wake the Lion - Magnum
Halloween - Helloween
Dark Asteroid - The Damned
Rime of the Ancient Mariner - Iron Maiden
Slung - Foetus
Machine Messiah - Yes
High Water Mark - Iced Earth
Assault and Battery - Hawkwind
The Outlaw Torn - Metallica
Xanadu - Rush
Z:
Papa Was a Rolling Stone - The Temptations
Sly - Herbie Hancock
The Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys - Traffic
Found a Cure - Ashford & Simpson
Child in Time - Deep Purple
Dance to the Medley - Sly & The Family Stone
Uncle Jam - Funkadelic
Blue Desert - Sky Valley Mistress
The Game - Roy Harper
Water No Get Enemy - Fela Kuti
Charger:
Sign of the Cross - Iron Maiden
Seasons of Tragedy - Benedictum
The Devil to Pay - Iced Earth
The Warning - Black Sabbath
The Poet and the Pendulum - Nightwish
The Ultra-Violence - Death Angel
Morphine Child - Savatage
The Profit of Doom - Type O Negative
Suite Sister Mary - Queensryche
Embrace - Solitude Aeturnus
Me:
The World is a Ghetto - War
Orphans of the Singe - Wo Fat
Advance Romance - Frank Zappa
The Musical Box - Genesis
Sanctuary - Miles Davis
The Necromancer - Rush
Pithecanthropus Erectus - Charles Mingus
Achilles Last Stand - Led Zeppelin
When the Music's Over - The Doors
The Magician's Birthday - Uriah Heep
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If you want a rap song, I got the full version of Rapper's Delight from 1979 at 14 and a half minutes. :smug:
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Thinking about the next challenge, I was wondering about...
1) Our 10 favourite instrumentals (I don;t think we've done that before!)
2) Like the last couple of games... Our 10 favourite 8-10 minute songs or our favourite 15+ minute songs.
3) Alternatively, something film related!
... anyone got other ideas?
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I like the instrumentals suggestion; doesn't seem like we've gone down that road before.
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I'm up for instrumentals! That would be very cool!
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Yes! Instrumentals!
Lucky for me that T**** as a B**** has singing on it, so I can leave it off the list! :smug:
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What kind of rules are we gonna set for this one?
Length wise? Any short instrumental intro or do they need to lets say clock atleast 3 minutes? It would make things bit interesting and since we already had that under 3 minute one that had few instrumentals I think it might be good to exclude short instrumental intros...no matter how good they would be...?
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We can do that. I don't think the ones I've already thought about are that short.
I would also suggest that something which has minor vocal utterances can be included as long as they don't count as a verse/chorus. For instance E5150 would be ok even though there's that "You, you fools!" bit. *
* That's what it sounds like to me anyway! :)
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Yeah I think some spoken words and stuff like that can be allowed...
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So:
Instrumentals
Longer than 3 minutes
Incidental vocalizations allowed
Sounds good, I don't have any to add to that.
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I'd also say songs with spoken-word intros or short sci-fi quotes used on repeat could also be considered.